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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    (...)Shall I go on? Or could we please have our feedback actually be listened to and addressed. With how often this game's players tell those of us who voice criticism to take a break or play something else, they cannot hope to be surprised if one day enough people collectively take their advice and leave for greener pastures.

    Endwalker however has managed to cause and exacerbate more issues in the past 7 months than this game has in 9 years. Something is clearly amiss, and we need for this game's problems to be tackled and taken seriously instead of in a dismissive or joking manner.
    I can continue here for you:

    Old races having cropped racial features such as tails and ears (miqo'te and au'ra)

    2019 races having animal ears but not receiving animation like the miqo'te, a race made 9(?) years ago.

    Seeing your character turn into a Hyur during enshroud (ears, tails, horns, everything is taken away from the characters). As I remember seeing on this forum, Yosh P himself said that each race would have its own enshroud.

    Limited inventory, even though it's a paid game (and when I say inventory, I mean in general, glammour dresser included. With each expansion, gears, crafting materials, hooks, among other items, are added to the game, and we don't have enough space for that.

    Mogstation items being sold in a way that you can't just buy clothe, hat, or hair separated, even if you belong to a race that can't wear these hats and hair
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir_Tonberry View Post
    Genshin Impact a free to play mobile gatcha game puts out events every 40 days that are fully voiced and an engaging story. FF which is a subscription game with a full price tag does like 5 events a year and still can't put 10% of the effort. Something is wrong.

  2. #32
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    Taralyne's Avatar
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    It seems he cares abou the game,but it always looks to me like he is muzzled when asked about certain topics.He not the CEO.
    So it seems like sometimes he is told not to talk about certain issues.I really have no feelings about him.
    I also dont get the cult thing ,but I have seen it before in RIFT when one posted "We have to get paid to" When they really started pumping the cash shop.
    People just adored them,god forbid you said anything negative about that one.If you played it then you know what I mean.
    But here it is really overboard sometimes.
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  3. #33
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    Making significant changes to the game to appease a minuscule minority while turning off the huge majority in the process would be a horrible business decision.
    Hi there, AST here. My role and, particularly, my job are proof positive that, while you would generally be correct in assuming this is the case, it doesn't hold true when the decisions being made are being made to appease an audience that surrounds the targeted smaller audience. As long as the larger audience is ok with the decisions, doesn't understand them, or isn't being forced into a position where they would need to care, a business can easily get away with doing anything to that smaller audience even as they tunnel past breaking point after breaking point and chip away at the remainder of that audience.

    But that's just a small bit of my point of view.


    For what it's worth, I don't think he lacks for passion. I think he wants to be part of the community to do what he can to keep them happy, and, in response, the many fans, rabid or otherwise, will flock to him and try to do the same. But at the end of the day, I do think he does make some questionable design decisions, and that we're currently dealing with the results of questionable design decisions that were made in the past that I don't think they would necessarily be able to see coming due to a lack of experience or potentially a lack of foresight due to a lack of team members.
    That being said, although my experience with game developers generally keeps me in a position where I try to just "wait and see" with little to no expectations (other than, perhaps, maintaining the status quo of what has been put out), specifically with Yoshi-P and his development team, I have come to distrust his/their words and feel that he and his team are neglectful to their players when that section of the playerbase is small enough that he/they feel he/they can get away with it. He's a savvy businessman, and understands the social role of this MMO business venture, and I think he's very good at utilizing that role. So, ultimately, I would say that the OP isn't alone, because I also dislike YoshiP (but not necessarily as a person, I just don't personally know him to be able to like or dislike him that way).
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    Last edited by MintnHoney; 07-15-2022 at 06:42 AM.

  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagick View Post
    True enough, and this is even more worrying now that he has stepped down from the board of directors of Square-Enix. They were already siphoning money from this into other projects, failures or successes, and I imagine it's only going to get worse.

    Edit: Just learned he didn't step down. Ignore everything I say. I am a liar and not to be trusted!
    Blasphemer!
    Bow at the mighty alter of Yoshida-san!
    BOW BEFORE YOUR GOD KING!

    SE has never been a very profitable company. They have been close to bankruptcy a number of times, and that includes when the Final Fantasy series was first released and managed to save the company. SE is just that type of company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    But perhaps there's a bigger picture being missed there. Perhaps what that one person considers an "issue" is something that the majority of the playerbase far and away enjoys. Making significant changes to the game to appease a minuscule minority while turning off the huge majority in the process would be a horrible business decision. Even the tone of what I've quoted here deals in absolutes that bear no resemblance to reality. Everyone is welcome to have an opinion, and getting frustrated when the changes one personally desires don't happen is also sadly common, but stepping back and seeing the whole situation of a game played by hundreds of thousands of people is important.
    I am not speaking in absolutes, and it certainly isn't detached from reality, but you are free to think whatever you want. Not once did I say that I was speaking for a majority. If anyone else isn't seeing the bigger picture, it's you, since you seemingly only view the majority as important enough to care about. You are correct in stating that the entire player base needs to be considered when making various major changes but keeping even the smaller groups happy is important too, like Hrothgar for example, and they've done an abysmal job at that. And that's just one issue that I have with the game currently. I've got more I could discuss, but that is the one I'm sticking to currently as it conveys my point pretty well.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 07-15-2022 at 06:52 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Directorial issues aside, Yoshi-P is also the Producer (P for producer). This means he's in charge of the budgeting. If you read the FFXI interview series just recently put out one of his main things is that if it's going to cost too much to do something he's not going to do it. that big list listed at the start is probably way too costly to fix (all at once). Even if it can be tackled, it's going to have to be done piecemeal and WITHIN BUDGET.
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  7. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by HanWenqing View Post
    snip

    have you ever looked at any of the threads for hrothgar and viera?

    but no, you're not the only one.

    It's pretty clear he's a combination of being way too comfortable with the worship he got for saving ffxiv with ARR + the SHB memes. I'm not saying it's entirely his fault because it's clear square has cut funding for support staff but... y'know. The fact that lalafels never have to compromise like the rest of us? All mounts, furniture (spiral stairs, couches, lofts, etc), all jewlery and hairstyles, all equipment, animations, etc all seem to just... work for them while we're told we have to accept clipping or just flat-out having things just not work?

    It also doesn't help that in addition to him always playing a lalafel, he's also a BLM which CONVENIENTLY always gets the most attention in development and always just "work". They don't get threatened with changes or adjustments mid-expansion and if they do, its usually a damage BOOST. The only debuff/negative change they've gotten in recent memory was the PVP nonsense which happened to coincide with Yoshi-P prostrating himself in front of the entire community screamcrying about how it totally wasn't bias when they gave them what was a quite frankly an utterly obscene buff in damage. Except... y'know, he was whining about how PVP was too hard just before that as a blm. It's one of those things where if there wasn't everything else happening we might've bought it but... with everything AND this?

    Not a good look.

    Then you have the Hrothgar thing where he was like "Oh yeah, you guys are gonna love these" and showed images of the hairstyles... and then laughed at how utterly ridiculous they were and then when people complained he tried to claim we weren't talking enough on the forums about them? Really? We've had threads for years, Yoshi-P. Don't act like we haven't said anything.

    Or how about his obsession with housing that's still utterly broken because he really, really wants people to be able to walk down them like an irl neighborhood even though in reality everyone just teleports to their estate and doesn't ever look around? Or how he says one thing and then when we don't get it and ask why, he claims "oh, that was mistranslated" (when it isn't) and then instead of correcting said translation they just... kept the incorrect information up, thus confusing everyone. Great.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm very thankful for what he's done. He looks like he's lost a lot of sleep and put a lot of effort into this game but... I feel as if his initial acceptance to listen to us about problems related to FFXIV was because none of said critique was his fault, but instead was the 1.0 team's mistake.

    Now that it's 2022 and the work we're criticizing is clearly his own (aka 2.0 and onward), suddenly it's a lot more personal and he's very resistant about accepting it. It's like when a kid's parents divorce and he wants to be 'the cool parent' and now is upset that he got his kid's report card and it contained the smallest amount of criticism about the child.

    For a group that made power point presentations about how important it is to listen to the community, he's certainly doing everything in his power to resist taking his own advice.
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    Last edited by Denji; 07-15-2022 at 07:31 AM.

  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetestLily View Post
    The funny thing is he wasn't even talking about criticism when he said be kind. He was specifically talking about dev abuse. So now saying not to abuse the devs equates to "you can't criticize the game " apparently. The way people twist words never ceases to amaze.
    Indeed. Similar to how you have as Yoshi has made multiple statements for the community to be kind and courteous to each other, and has expressed his concern in several LLs about toxicity within the community.

    The problem isn't the dev team is soft. The problem is the community completely disregards that the devs are human beings.

    Stop with this nonsense about not being able to criticize the game. You just did and still have an active sub, do you not? Can still log in, hop in a raid, toss up a new decoration in your house or apartment? Yeah?

    So what are you on about? Something about wanting to chastise the devs without consequence? Is that right? Or am I twisting words?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HanWenqing View Post
    The way he asks the players to be nice and not to say nasty things.

    It's normal that there are angry players because of the many problems in the game, I think it's ridiculous to cry because some people don't mince their words.

    It's borderline threatening if you ever get a little angry at Yoshi and his team
    I think it's a total inversion of values, we pay for the game with our money but we have absolutely no rights, we are the ones who should be respectful and grateful even though we are the customers

    The customer is no longer the king, the customer is no longer respected and listened to
    Yes you monster.
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    This man is pure perfection.
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