To Tanks Who only pull One Mob at a Time......

[Kolsykol]

I'd rather deal with a Tank who pulls one at a time because that's what they're comfortable with than a Healer or DPS who pulls more even when the rest of the group is fine with the Tank taking it slow and then at the same time screech about '' Tank egos ''.
( Because it's totally not Healer or DPS ego problems ever, it's always the Tank who is at fault and needs to listen to that one guy in the group /s )

[Espon]

You cannot tell me how to play! I'm going to start pulling half packs now!

[ballprince]

I'd rather deal with a Tank who pulls one at a time because that's what they're comfortable with than a Healer or DPS who pulls more even when the rest of the group is fine with the Tank taking it slow and then at the same time screech about '' Tank egos ''.
( Because it's totally not Healer or DPS ego problems ever, it's always the Tank who is at fault and needs to listen to that one guy in the group /s )

Oh, god, nothing infuriates me more as a tank than a DPS or healer who thinks they should be pulling for me.

And then bringing me all the mobs like a wounded dog in too deep. I almost always let those people die to make a point. Not my fault you weren't patient enough and can't tank it.

[Kolsykol]

Oh, god, nothing infuriates me more as a tank than a DPS or healer who thinks they should be pulling for me.

And then bringing me all the mobs like a wounded dog in too deep. I almost always let those people die to make a point. Not my fault you weren't patient enough and can't tank it.

What's especially annoying to me is that they NEVER pay any attention to who's afk or whatever either.
I do pull wall to wall, but I still run into it all the time that the Healer is falling behind or goes afk and then DPS just goes leeroy jenkins anyway.
Either that or I notice that the Healer is struggling and just simply can't keep up with wall to wall pulls and I pull less but no people still insist to pull more and we wipe.

I've just gotten really tired of it, if people pull then I just let them Tank.
I really don't want to enable and normalize this any further which I feel indulging and saving them does.

[MilkieTea]

Oh, god, nothing infuriates me more as a tank than a DPS or healer who thinks they should be pulling for me.

And then bringing me all the mobs like a wounded dog in too deep. I almost always let those people die to make a point. Not my fault you weren't patient enough and can't tank it.

You uh... realize this is the very definition of griefing behaviour? Like, not even joking but YPYT is absolutely reportable and if you do this to enough (or the right/wrong) people, you're liable to at the very least have a nice chat with a GM.

[Gemina]

The other night I got the exact opposite of this kind of tank. This tank likely thought they were doing what they were supposed to be doing. Pull all the mobs and keep them focused on you, right? This tank even used their mitigation tools, so all good?

No. Not at all. The run with this tank was horrendous to say the least, and left the instance with three other very pissed off players.

In this instance the tank:
- Got themselves killed when there was not enough resources for a W2W pull, which lead to a wipe.
- Did not stack for a stack marker which killed the healer (me) and one of the DPS players courteous enough to soak damage.
- Tank proceeded to solo the remaining 15% after the 2nd DPS eventually dropped also.
- took no responsibility for this when called out
- Left the instance after final boss before I could even load in without a single word or comm given to anyone. Very likely patted themselves on the back.
- Other two players were sprouts, together running the MSQ. Their comments were along the lines of, "So those are the a-hole tanks I've heard about?"

In short, I will take a courteous and respectful one mob only tank over that elitist arsehat any day of the week. W2W pulls are not a rule. You are more than welcome to tank any instance where you wish to set that pace.

[Renalt]

What's especially annoying to me is that they NEVER pay any attention to who's afk or whatever either.
I do pull wall to wall, but I still run into it all the time that the Healer is falling behind or goes afk and then DPS just goes leeroy jenkins anyway.
Either that or I notice that the Healer is struggling and just simply can't keep up with wall to wall pulls and I pull less but no people still insist to pull more and we wipe.

I've just gotten really tired of it, if people pull then I just let them Tank.
I really don't want to enable and normalize this any further which I feel indulging and saving them does.

I've had those moments but as long as I'm tank...it's my own personal rule that no one dies before me. If they pull and run from me...I'll chase them down. Those mobs are MINE. I will tank others stupidity. I'll die knowing the DPS isn't bringing them to me or if the healer is lagging behind. If it's pulled regardless who pulled it...I will take it. I'm doing my job right and don't care if everyone else is making it difficult for me.

[Kolsykol]

You uh... realize this is the very definition of griefing behaviour? Like, not even joking but YPYT is absolutely reportable and if you do this to enough (or the right/wrong) people, you're liable to at the very least have a nice chat with a GM.

I honestly have a hard time believing that unless you're being bad to people in chat too.
I mean you're allowed to kick people due to differences in playstyle so this sounds strange to me.
If people don't like it they can kick me or I'll simply leave if people keep doing it.

I mean if you're in P3S and a DPS just insists on grabbing the Tether is it griefing to just get tired of it and stop trying to save them and let them die?
Pulling being part of the Tanks job has been a thing since basically the dawn of MMO's and probably even further back than that in DnD.

I've had those moments but as long as I'm tank...it's my own personal rule that no one dies before me. If they pull and run from me...I'll chase them down. Those mobs are MINE. I will tank others stupidity. I'll die knowing the DPS isn't bringing them to me or if the healer is lagging behind. If it's pulled regardless who pulled it...I will take it. I'm doing my job right and don't care if everyone else is making it difficult for me.

I just disagree with that honestly but that's a matter of pov and just a personal stance on it.
I don't believe in essentially perpetuating a problem, people only do this because it works and because Tanks will begrudgingly put up with it.
If Tanks didn't put up with it then it wouldn't happen because people would learn that there's consequences to it.

Edit: There's obviously nuance to this, if someone does it as a mistake then I am not gonna let them die.
But if they repeatedly go out of their way to do it on purpose then I will.

Based on what I've heard too '' you pull you tank it '' is a normal mentality on the JP side of things.
Not sure if that's actually true or not, but yeah I think it's how it's supposed to work and I don't think it's something you'll get in trouble for.
DPS and Healers being super impatient and desperately bending over backwards just to pull is one of these things I hate about modern MMO mentalities, I view it as a degradation of the genre.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Wow, it's almost like there are people learning to tank out there.

If it bothers you that much, you've got options, but the way I see it, it's someone likely learning the game. A little patience goes a long way.

That ceases to be an excuse when it's a lvl 90 dungeon. If you have not learned to tank by that point you either boosted (even than, you've had 10 levels to learn and it's really not hard at all, it's the most mindless role outside of certain higher end content where tanks actually have mechanics that are specific to them), or you're just bad. There's not really much to learn. You pull mobs, do your aoe rotation, maintain your mitigations, face away from the group, don't stand in mechanics, rinse and repeat. sometimes you have to interupt an enemy's ability. What is so complicated about this? The exact same strat applies to single groups not just multi-groups. Only difference is that multi-groups you may possibly die if you're not using your mitgations properly, or the healer is slow or afk. There is nothing fundamentally more challenging or complex about 1 group vs 2 group pulls. It is just a matter of how long do you want this run to take?

[Myrany]

Where does it end though? I was in a Sastasha run where the healer and other DPS were seeing it for the first time. The tank pulled everything from the start of the dungeon to the cat boss in one big pull. I was slightly confused but ran with it. The two newbies however were absolutely panicked by it. Frankly the new healer who was healing her first dungeon couldn't keep up. It did not end well. I stayed after the run to talk to the newbies and tell them that at least in the early stuff this is not common. 2-3 groups of mobs being pulled at once is more common. They were ready to quit.