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  1. #1
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 100
    I play all roles. If I, as the healer, am telling you wall to wall please, you as the tank don't have the excuse of "making sure the healer can handle it" to pull small pulls. The healer is in charge of healing. So stay in your lane, do your job and don't use the healer as a scapegoat for your inability to find the forward key.

    This is not a new vs experienced issue because I've seen sprout tanks follow suggestions and pull big perfectly. It's a skill issue.
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    Cesan Duff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    I play all roles. If I, as the healer, am telling you wall to wall please, you as the tank don't have the excuse of "making sure the healer can handle it" to pull small pulls. The healer is in charge of healing. So stay in your lane, do your job and don't use the healer as a scapegoat for your inability to find the forward key.

    This is not a new vs experienced issue because I've seen sprout tanks follow suggestions and pull big perfectly. It's a skill issue.
    YES SUPREME LEADER! WOULD YOU LIKE SOME TEA WITH THAT SIR? *hail*
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    Quote Originally Posted by hagare View Post
    YES SUPREME LEADER! WOULD YOU LIKE SOME TEA WITH THAT SIR? *hail*
    Tea, eww. I prefer the tears of tanks who lag behind while I carry on with a melee who tanks better than them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Tea, eww. I prefer the tears of tanks who lag behind while I carry on with a melee who tanks better than them.
    I like tea. I am almost always ahead of my entire party while pulling, so I never have this issue. It can be a bit of a shock sometimes when you turn around and the healer is miles away though.
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    Last edited by SturmChurro; 07-14-2022 at 09:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Tea, eww. I prefer the tears of tanks who lag behind while I carry on with a melee who tanks better than them.
    AT ONCE YOUR GRACE!
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    Arya Diavolos
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    I now have the mental image of hagare sobbing on command while Reinha drinks from a juice box labeled Tank Tears in my head.
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    Sometimes your group just sucks. The dps aren't aoeing or they're "saving their CDs for the boss" so it's taking forever. the healer's spamming cure 1 when nothing's even happening in an endwalker dungeon. And every pull takes so long that you run out of resources for mitigating damage and you fall over dead. So these people say "to hell with it" and pull less in that dungeon. And when it happens enough, they just start pulling less in general. And for some people this is their leveling experience from the start of the game until the very end, because anyone who's done dutyfinder content knows that people can't play the game at all. Large pulls are a team effort, and bad team members make it painful. A healer can make up for a lot, but let's be real here, I was leveling my DRK and got SCHs who wouldn't even summon their fairy; shit's a mess out there. I'd pull big and they'd just stand there. If I were new and didn't know that that wasn't typical, I'd just assume it was on me. A high leveled single puller is the product of numerous bad experiences. It's the same with those cure1 bots. If they had more tanks who didn't die immediately in trash packs, they'd feel comfortable dpsing during pulls, but most of the tanks they meet in dutyfinder just charge in and let Jesus take the wheel. These people probably did pull big at one point, but it blew up in their face so many times that they don't even bother anymore. I feel sorry for the ones that speak. The ones that don't even type are like bots to me.

    Whenever I wind up healing these people, I just heal them like crazy on their single pull and most get it through their head that this shit really doesn't hurt at all and then they pull more. It's like watching a boy become a man. Very enjoyable experience, well worth the 15 a month.
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    Last edited by Avoidy; 07-14-2022 at 06:55 PM.

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    Legit Stanazolol
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    Warrior Lv 90
    You pull big even if they are new to the dungeon. If you use cds properly and max your damage, heal yourself, you can usually survive long enough to clear big pulls even when other players are half assing. If you do happen to wipe, just take the L and pull smaller. Gambling on 20 seconds lost to a wipe vs the time lost on small pulls is easily worth it.
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    Nadia Frostwind
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    Seraph
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa View Post
    snoop...
    Well, like some said here, people are different and everyone is at different points in the learning curve. Besides that, is up to the party to act accordingly.
    Healer = can heal less and do more DPS (ok, no jokes intend).
    DPS = can focus more on one foe at a time and avoid AoEs more easily.

    The wiser course is not making everybody act as you want them to do it, but instead adapt your acts for what the party is giving.
    If the party sucks, adapt to it and cover what is lacking limited, of course, by what your role does. Never do someone else's job). If the party is fast and everybody knows what to do, focus in keep the pace the best way you can. If you see sprout in their heads and slow actions, try to be KIND and teach them giving some hints (but never expect them to listen, no one is obliged to do it).

    Not all person value the same stuff as you. In an example, i have friends who like to tank in a very confortable way and go a little bit slowly, while other is more like "ok, let's break all the walls of this shitty place in a single blow!".
    Like I said, people are different and this is PERFECT for us to learn how to adapt ourselves in order to get the best result AS A TEAM instead of being a blind leader.

    And if you are against time, just leave the party. And if you want, go do something else. Come back to the game when things get settled outside it. To play against the clock is awful... (but, again, just a hint, follow only if you want). And it's ok if you want to leave party and the duty. The others wont even remember your name after the boss fight anyway
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    Last edited by Wanzzo; 07-15-2022 at 02:40 AM.

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    Wind-up Rhea
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    Sagittarius
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Jin- View Post
    You learn to pull IN ARR already. No excuse not to pull more
    ARR or the game don’t really teach you about big pulls. People learned by doing and becoming normalised over the years, it wasn’t always like that back in 2013 from what I remember.

    Some might simply not be comfortable with wall to wall pulling. I know I had huge tank anxiety when I was starting out.

    Also it’s not like you will save that huge amount of time if they pull 1 pack at a time. It’s not end of the world. We all probably prefers a big pull for our aoes but it’s not worth bitching about it on the internet, imo. It’s more so you look pretty silly for making a complaint that some tanks don’t play like you want them to.

    Make a premade group next time and problem solved.
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