To Tanks Who only pull One Mob at a Time......

[BaconBits]

I now have the mental image of hagare sobbing on command while Reinha drinks from a juice box labeled Tank Tears in my head.

[SaberMaxwell]

Lot of "you can't tell me how to play but I'll sure enjoy shaming you for not playing how I approve" in this thread.

I won't say which side is doing it. But I think it's evident to most third parties.

[LittleImp]

Ok this is rich. Let's take it point by point. "Giving the enemy the advantage"...you mean like pulling them before the tank is ready for them putting the enemy at an advantage? OK

And oddly enough MPK isn't the same as YPYT because the tank isn't the one pulling or sending said mobs anywhere. Its the other person pulling and bringing mobs to the tank. So by that logic the tank isn't at fault here.

I am personally aware of cases where people have received warnings, and even 3 day bans for YPYT. You pretty much have to openly admit to what you are doing in chat to establish motive, but it is definitely seen as MPK in the eyes of the GMs.


Motive is important. YPYT seeks to intentionally undermine the efficacy of the entire party for 'revenge' against someone you feel has 'overstepped'. Pulling as a DPS is because someone wants the party to clear faster and be more efficient. One of these things is inherently malicious, the other is not.

[SturmChurro]

I am personally aware of cases where people have received warnings, and even 3 day bans for YPYT. You pretty much have to openly admit to what you are doing in chat to establish motive, but it is definitely seen as MPK in the eyes of the GMs.


Motive is important. YPYT seeks to intentionally undermine the efficacy of the entire party for 'revenge' against someone you feel has 'overstepped'. Pulling as a DPS is because someone wants the party to clear faster and be more efficient. One of these things is inherently malicious, the other is not.

Yeah, same thing with people who state in chat they will not heal a tank who pulls too much or something along those lines. It's griefing. Even if you don't admit to it, if a GM sees this happening often, they'd probably also put two and two together and give you a warning or strike for griefing.

[Equitable_Remedy]

To give a serious answer to a largely troll thread.

One not-insignificant factor is people who level tank as their first character. The issue isn't that wall-to-wall pulling is too hard, it's that people simply don't know that that is the norm. If you level a tank as your first character, you never get to actually see tanking done correctly because you're always the tank - you never learn the norms because you never see them. Further, the early dungeons in the game are generally not designed for wall-to-wall, and it can be especially awkward before DPS has consistent AOE.

Advice to new players: don't level tank first. Not because it's too hard, but because there are a few more unwritten norms associated with the role that you'll miss if you don't see it down first.

[Wanzzo]

Yeah, same thing with people who state in chat they will not heal a tank who pulls too much or something along those lines. It's griefing. Even if you don't admit to it, if a GM sees this happening often, they'd probably also put two and two together and give you a warning or strike for griefing.

Oh, that's really awful when we see a healer that not heal dpses that aggro mobs instead of leaving the tanker do it. Or a tanker that is not with a good gear or not using their cooldowns properly...
I confess, I had some these thoughts as a healer in some moments in my past, but I never let anyone dies intentionaly. Now, older, I don't even care about such stuff xD I just keep people alive no matter what happens (this is just a game, not a competition to see who do their role more perfectly and people are different).

I never knew that there are rules for these behaviours and yes, we must keep track of them and REPORT if we see injustice especially against the new player, which is more like the "weak ring in the chain" of the party (but not only).

[IkaraGreydancer]

I am personally aware of cases where people have received warnings, and even 3 day bans for YPYT. You pretty much have to openly admit to what you are doing in chat to establish motive, but it is definitely seen as MPK in the eyes of the GMs.


Motive is important. YPYT seeks to intentionally undermine the efficacy of the entire party for 'revenge' against someone you feel has 'overstepped'. Pulling as a DPS is because someone wants the party to clear faster and be more efficient. One of these things is inherently malicious, the other is not.

In cases like those I don't to much care about a GMs judgment. You can't exactly claim YPYT just seeks to undermine a group when it could just be people who rather stick to their own pace which isn't malicious at at. GMs punishing that is basically them saying "were gonna punish you because you didn't give in to being forced to do more than you may be comfy with" and thats backwards.

Also can't claim DPS pulling are doing it for the party as how exactly do we know this? I've only ever seen 1 dps pull ahead while me and the other dps focus on what the tank actually pulled. In that vein to me it seems like that dps is only concerned with clearing fast for themselves as they often dip from dungeons right away when it's finished without saying a word.

It's amazing how bent out of shape folks get if they have to spend just a few extra minutes doing something. Reporting for this this petty is ridiculous ESPECIALLY when "you NEVER encounter it if you never pull ahead ". It's LITERALLY an issue you can avoid

[Bobby66]

In cases like those I don't to much care about a GMs judgment. You can't exactly claim YPYT just seeks to undermine a group when it could just be people who rather stick to their own pace which isn't malicious at at. GMs punishing that is basically them saying "were gonna punish you because you didn't give in to being forced to do more than you may be comfy with" and thats backwards.

Also can't claim DPS pulling are doing it for the party as how exactly do we know this? I've only ever seen 1 dps pull ahead while me and the other dps focus on what the tank actually pulled. In that vein to me it seems like that dps is only concerned with clearing fast for themselves as they often dip from dungeons right away when it's finished without saying a word.

It's amazing how bent out of shape folks get if they have to spend just a few extra minutes doing something. Reporting for this this petty is ridiculous ESPECIALLY when "you NEVER encounter it if you never pull ahead ". It's LITERALLY an issue you can avoid

Same could be said if you just pull everything, it is literally an issue that you can avoid.

People cannot pull for you if nothing left to pull.

[Necrotica]

Gonna RP walk between pulls from now on.

[SturmChurro]

Oh, that's really awful when we see a healer that not heal dpses that pools mobs instead of leaving the tanker do it. Or a tanker that is not with a good gear or not using their cooldowns properly...
I confess, I had some these thoughts as a healer in some moments in my past, but I never let anyone dies intentionaly. Now, older, I don't even care about such stuff xD I just keep people alive no matter what happens (this is just a game, not a competition to see who do their role more perfectly and people are different).

I never knew that there are rules for these behaviours and yes, we must keep track of them and REPORT if we see injustice especially against the new player, which is more like the "weak ring in the chain" of the party (but not only).

I don't care as much as I used to either. My opinions are vastly different than when I first started playing this game. Then again, people still get mad about me trying to prioritize dps uptime on my white mage.. Yes, to keeping track of what behaviors are okay, but it would take a lot for me to actually report someone in-game. A lot of behaviors I do not believe are worth a person losing their account over. See, in this game, you pretty much have about three chances. A warning, and three strikes, as far as I am aware. It doesn't matter the severity of the action, if you get three strikes, you are done.

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I got a warning for "grief tactics" earlier this year, and I have literally no idea why. Petty or not, agree with the GMs judgement or not, people WILL report for it. If a player still insists on doing this, they are risking their account. At best, I would say the solution is to kick the player if you think they are pulling too much, or leave. Granted, me leaving too often was something people speculated may have been a reason why I got a warning..