So is no one still excited for Island Sanctuary...

[Renathras]

I sincerely hope you are just stating a series of opinions because if not, you need to re-evaluate your thinking as you are making a LOT of foolish assumptions.

I mean, so are you.

Houses are a high priority for a great many people in the game.

And conversely, they are NOT a high priority for another great many people in the game. I'd actually put money on less than 50% of players having issue with housing right now either due to (a) not caring about housing in the first place, or (b) having successfully gotten a house/apartment and being satisfied with it.

Just because they are not YOUR priority does not make it factual for everyone.

I didn't say it was. In fact, I literally said the opposite - that it's NOT a priority FOR EVERYONE while there are other things that DO affect us all and should be addressed first.

Stating your claim as if it were a fact seems mightily selfish and presumptuous.

That's literally what you're doing while I was literally doing the exact opposite. And I mean the word literally in both cases, not figuratively.

A look at the data for Lottery participation would indicate that houses are important for a great many people.

"A great many" does not mean a majority, or even a plurality. There are something like 2-4 million people that play this game. The lowest estimate is around 1.3 million if we don't count transient or free accounts. If there aren't AT LEAST 1 million people in the lottery, or 650,000 at the lowball estimate - and there aren't, are there? - then that's not even half of the population even at the most generous estimate.

Moreover, I didn't say it wasn't important to "a great many people", did I? Can you find those words anywhere in my post? No, you cannot.

What I DID say was housing is the lowest priority among things this game needs and that there are many other things that affect us all that should be addressed first, which likely also cost less dev time and server issues.

If you're going to counter-argue my points, at least be clear on what my points are.

So please, either clarify that your statements are simply your opinions or, if not, keep your proclamations to yourself. They are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

Pot, meet kettle - this is straight up what you're doing.

I'm not saying to REMOVE HOUSING FROM THE GAME. I didn't say to never update housing again. I didn't say that no one cares about housing. I made none of the arguments you're insisting I made.

I'm saying there are many other issues that need fixing first. I could probably list a half dozen off the top of my head that are likely more impactful to the game's short and long-term success and that affect a lot more people/the game as a whole. Again, at least understand the positions you're arguing against before arguing against them.

[Renathras]

Another Bozja would be bad for the current one. There are still people coming through and working on that zone. It's also great place to level up past 71. I think they also need time to learn lessons from Bozja / Zadnor. There were parts that just weren't fun, like people being able to instakill certain fates before others could get a decent hit in. Given how those battlefields tend to draw on the previous expansion, it would also be tough to properly cover Shadowbringers when half the content was on another planet.

I agree on housing and I think many others would. Unfortunately, the devs are in a bad position with it. If they take it away, it would make a lot of people upset. They would need to find a way to transition people to something else without impacting them severely.

Eh, some fair points, though I feel like between Eureka and Bozja, we should have a Goldilocks "Too hot, too cold, just right" situation by now. Also, I don't think there's any need to put the content in the prior expansion. Eureka took place in SB, not HW, and had nothing to do with the HW story. If anything, it had more of a tie-in with ARR (though tenuous) since the only other Students of Baldession we knew were Krile and Crystal Tower G'Raha. And Bozja could just as well have tied into the first part of EW with the fall of Garlemald as it did with SB, not to mention the ShB WEAPON Trial series felt in the same vein, so it could have fit anywhere in the story between roughly the end of HW up until the first act of EW (if you consider the first act everything up through and including the Zod fight)

As for housing, I don't think they should remove housing entirely, I'm just annoyed at the ABSOLUTELY ENDLESS moaning about it. If housing was never even in the game, people would be asking for it all the time (as they do in every MMO), but there's generally a bit less complaining when people are asking for something as opposed to when they have it but it's not living up to their wishes.

So your idea for housing...something that is overwhelmingly used to the point where none is available and the moment they add more it goes away pretty much instantly due to massive demand....is to just get rid of it?

No, I'm just so annoyed at the endless moaning about it.

My idea for housing RIGHT NOW is to leave it as it is and address the other problems the game has first.

[Eraden]

And conversely, they are NOT a high priority for another great many people in the game. I'd actually put money on less than 50% of players having issue with housing right now either due to (a) not caring about housing in the first place, or (b) having successfully gotten a house/apartment and being satisfied with it.


I didn't say it was. In fact, I literally said the opposite - that it's NOT a priority FOR EVERYONE while there are other things that DO affect us all and should be addressed first.

"A great many" does not mean a majority, or even a plurality. There are something like 2-4 million people that play this game. The lowest estimate is around 1.3 million if we don't count transient or free accounts. If there aren't AT LEAST 1 million people in the lottery, or 650,000 at the lowball estimate - and there aren't, are there? - then that's not even half of the population even at the most generous estimate.

Moreover, I didn't say it wasn't important to "a great many people", did I? Can you find those words anywhere in my post? No, you cannot.

What I DID say was housing is the lowest priority among things this game needs and that there are many other things that affect us all that should be addressed first, which likely also cost less dev time and server issues.

I'm not saying to REMOVE HOUSING FROM THE GAME. I didn't say to never update housing again. I didn't say that no one cares about housing. I made none of the arguments you're insisting I made.

I'm saying there are many other issues that need fixing first. I could probably list a half dozen off the top of my head that are likely more impactful to the game's short and long-term success and that affect a lot more people/the game as a whole. Again, at least understand the positions you're arguing against before arguing against them.

"Housing is honestly the lowest priority of things this game needs". Stated as a fact, by you. No mention whatsoever of it being merely an opinion. And by making that statement you are indirectly implying that the interest in housing is less than that of other game features. The reality is we do not know exactly how much interest there is in housing. All that can be said, using the results of the Lottery, is that it is a LOT of people. Thousands on my server alone. Are you trying to imply that unless a majority of players use a feature it should be de-prioritized or even removed? I wonder how many features would get sidelined if the developers used your standard to go by. As for your claim that you didn't call for removing housing from the game...you came very close to doing just that ("At this point I'm borderline of the position they should just REMOVE ALL HOUSING from the game"). Throwing this loaded phrase out here on the forum and then claiming it was not your intention to call for removal of housing is disingenuous at best.

[Amenara]

I'm not saying to REMOVE HOUSING FROM THE GAME. I didn't say to never update housing again. I didn't say that no one cares about housing. I made none of the arguments you're insisting I made.

I'm saying there are many other issues that need fixing first. I could probably list a half dozen off the top of my head that are likely more impactful to the game's short and long-term success and that affect a lot more people/the game as a whole. Again, at least understand the positions you're arguing against before arguing against them.

I think the housing team is its own entity and that is their primary focus just like there are different teams tackling their specific problems.

[Hyperia]

I’m intentionally keeping my expectations neutral but this continent is being made by the resources freed up by not doing another Eureka or Boja.

What that ends up as is unknown as the devs are being unusually quiet on this and that is the source of the unwanted expectations they are trying to control.

The hype is a monster of their own making by not managing the players expectations. A sentence here and there and the same old artwork graphic is going to cause peoples imagination to go wild.

The only reason I can think that the management of expectations has gotten so out of control is because so many of the veteran devs are doing FFXVI. They are also doing very little media interviews in comparison to the past.

Hopefully XVI getting released will help things out in XIV, they are stretched out way too far.

[Shibi]

Hopefully XVI getting released will help things out in XIV, they are stretched out way too far.

I fear CBU3 will then start on a new game, and XIV will be even more left to the contractors and interns.

[george357]

will try this new item when it gets here to find out how it is till then nothing to say about it.

[Garruss]

It's not something for me and I know it but, I'm glad people who want this are getting something like this. I'll poke my head in it and look around but I can tell it's a one-and-done thing for me.

[Necrotica]

I’m intentionally keeping my expectations neutral but this continent is being made by the resources freed up by not doing another Eureka or Boja.

What that ends up as is unknown as the devs are being unusually quiet on this and that is the source of the unwanted expectations they are trying to control.

The hype is a monster of their own making by not managing the players expectations. A sentence here and there and the same old artwork graphic is going to cause peoples imagination to go wild.

The only reason I can think that the management of expectations has gotten so out of control is because so many of the veteran devs are doing FFXVI. They are also doing very little media interviews in comparison to the past.

Hopefully XVI getting released will help things out in XIV, they are stretched out way too far.

I would pay them not to make Eureka or Bozja type stuff required for relics anymore. They could take that entire budget to make one minion instead and I would consider it money better spent.

[XiRon]

I KNOW Eorzea Crossing is going to be a total disaster for weeks after it drops like everything else in endwalker has been.
6.0: the game is so hypercrowded many players couldnt complete them msq until january
6.1: hrothgar lose their ears for no damn good reason and single-bidders on houses LOSE THE BID do to a numerical error
6.18: Several thousand players lost access to their accounts for hours after attempting DC travel, and those who could play still couldnt hop back meaning they couldnt access retainers, fcs, any myriad activities you can do natively

I think people should set their expectation bar to molten-core levels honestly, I also expect criterion dungeons to, idk, have no animations and for players to be stuck in t-pose even after leaving.