So is no one still excited for Island Sanctuary...

[TaleraRistain]

I never thought it was going to have housing and was iffy if it would have gardening as we do it now, so I didn't have anything to be disappointed over. This isn't really my content at all. But I find myself after the LL thinking "Hmm, maybe I'll interact with that more than I thought".

[Vatom]

I’m just going to build it up and get called by friends to PVP again

“When I think I’m out they pull me back in!”

[DixieBellOCE]

... now that the lack of housing and gardening as it exists in housing is confirmed?

Seems like all the ongoing conversation has disappeared since the Live Letter.

Personally, I think it will be fun for at least a few months based on what was shared. Looks like a good sized area to explore and it will be interesting to see what flexibility we have in building placement not to mention see how many options we're given for architecture styles.

Hard to predict longevity past the first few months because it would depend on what content updates it gets and how often new rewards get added. Once everything is upgraded and desired rewards purchased, it doesn't seem like something that would be worth continuing.



For those disappointed that time was spent to develop this over helping more players get access to houses/gardening, you may want to add your feedback and comments to this thread or one of the others in the Housing sibforum:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Housing-thread

You're not the only ones disappointed but better to leave that feedback in a place that SE is more likely to look for it.

They did say that islands would be receiving updates every major patch, so there is a good chance that it will have longevity.

The devs said from the very start that it IS NOT PRIVATE HOUSING but the community expectations, as always, blew it out of proportions.

Housing is its own issue, and shouldn't be priority over new content in the game. I would rather the dev's just shelf housing all together and work on updating the 1.0 source code that prevents 90% of the suggested content being added to the game.

[Renathras]

For those disappointed that time was spent to develop this over helping more players get access to houses/gardening, you may want to add your feedback and comments to this thread or one of the others in the Housing sibforum:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Housing-thread

I'm annoyed we're getting this instead of another Eureka/Bozja - content that I like - but I'm confused why anyone thinks the team working on this would be working on "helping more players get access to houses"? I feel like it's pretty obvious this is the "exploration content" for this expansion in place of Eureka/Bozja.

More housing is based on database limitations, not on teams developing new zones and accompanying mechanics. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise..?

That said, they could really make gardening more accessible and split the sub/airship voyages and aetherwheel away from housing for FCs that don't have houses to give them a shot at that content.

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EDIT: But all that's a separate issue. And, honestly? At this point I'm borderline of the position they should just REMOVE ALL HOUSING from the game. It's a source of no end of moaning, whining, and complaining in this game, and the game might just be better off without it. If nothing else, it would force them to separate gardening, air/subs, and FC buffs completely apart from it, which alone would already fix most of the issues since MANY people supposedly want houses (instead of apartments) because of gardening and FCs without a house need one for the other stuff.

Housing is honestly the LOWEST priority of things this game needs, not the highest, yet it gets so much undue attention even though much of the community doesn't engage with it. And as much as you can say "that's because there aren't enough houses!"; no, many players just don't care at all about housing. And there are many other things that affect us all, so it would be better to address those things first anyway since they would reach far more people and probably be less costly in terms of development time and potential server instability issues.

[Lunalepsy]

... now that the lack of housing and gardening as it exists in housing is confirmed?

Seems like all the ongoing conversation has disappeared since the Live Letter.

Personally, I think it will be fun for at least a few months based on what was shared. Looks like a good sized area to explore and it will be interesting to see what flexibility we have in building placement not to mention see how many options we're given for architecture styles.

Hard to predict longevity past the first few months because it would depend on what content updates it gets and how often new rewards get added. Once everything is upgraded and desired rewards purchased, it doesn't seem like something that would be worth continuing.



For those disappointed that time was spent to develop this over helping more players get access to houses/gardening, you may want to add your feedback and comments to this thread or one of the others in the Housing sibforum:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...Housing-thread

You're not the only ones disappointed but better to leave that feedback in a place that SE is more likely to look for it.

People were expecting gardening, and I guess Island Sanctuary is not it.

[Deveryn]

I'm annoyed we're getting this instead of another Eureka/Bozja - content that I like - but I'm confused why anyone thinks the team working on this would be working on "helping more players get access to houses"? I feel like it's pretty obvious this is the "exploration content" for this expansion in place of Eureka/Bozja.

More housing is based on database limitations, not on teams developing new zones and accompanying mechanics. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise..?

That said, they could really make gardening more accessible and split the sub/airship voyages and aetherwheel away from housing for FCs that don't have houses to give them a shot at that content.

.

EDIT: But all that's a separate issue. And, honestly? At this point I'm borderline of the position they should just REMOVE ALL HOUSING from the game. It's a source of no end of moaning, whining, and complaining in this game, and the game might just be better off without it. If nothing else, it would force them to separate gardening, air/subs, and FC buffs completely apart from it, which alone would already fix most of the issues since MANY people supposedly want houses (instead of apartments) because of gardening and FCs without a house need one for the other stuff.

Housing is honestly the LOWEST priority of things this game needs, not the highest, yet it gets so much undue attention even though much of the community doesn't engage with it. And as much as you can say "that's because there aren't enough houses!"; no, many players just don't care at all about housing. And there are many other things that affect us all, so it would be better to address those things first anyway since they would reach far more people and probably be less costly in terms of development time and potential server instability issues.

Another Bozja would be bad for the current one. There are still people coming through and working on that zone. It's also great place to level up past 71. I think they also need time to learn lessons from Bozja / Zadnor. There were parts that just weren't fun, like people being able to instakill certain fates before others could get a decent hit in. Given how those battlefields tend to draw on the previous expansion, it would also be tough to properly cover Shadowbringers when half the content was on another planet.

I agree on housing and I think many others would. Unfortunately, the devs are in a bad position with it. If they take it away, it would make a lot of people upset. They would need to find a way to transition people to something else without impacting them severely.

[Lustre]

I would be more excited, but I was excited for 6.1 CC and that turned out to be a blazing dumpster fire so my expectations are very much tempered. Wouldnt surprise me if instance servers crash on the day

[Windfire]

I'm cautiously optimistic, since it sounds fun but as the saying goes the proof is in the pudding.

[Rhysati]

EDIT: But all that's a separate issue. And, honestly? At this point I'm borderline of the position they should just REMOVE ALL HOUSING from the game. It's a source of no end of moaning, whining, and complaining in this game, and the game might just be better off without it. If nothing else, it would force them to separate gardening, air/subs, and FC buffs completely apart from it, which alone would already fix most of the issues since MANY people supposedly want houses (instead of apartments) because of gardening and FCs without a house need one for the other stuff.

Housing is honestly the LOWEST priority of things this game needs, not the highest, yet it gets so much undue attention even though much of the community doesn't engage with it. And as much as you can say "that's because there aren't enough houses!"; no, many players just don't care at all about housing. And there are many other things that affect us all, so it would be better to address those things first anyway since they would reach far more people and probably be less costly in terms of development time and potential server instability issues.

So your idea for housing...something that is overwhelmingly used to the point where none is available and the moment they add more it goes away pretty much instantly due to massive demand....is to just get rid of it?

I don't think you realize how horrible of an idea that is and the mass exodus of players it would cause. The entire roleplay populations(which makes up two of the most full servers there are) would mostly abandon the game after losing one of their biggest reasons for being in FFXIV over other games. Then you have every other person on every other FULL housing servers who would be beyond pissed that their hard-won houses they paid a ton of gil on have been stripped away from them for no reason.

I am very glad you aren't a developer on the game because yikes.

[Eraden]

I'm annoyed we're getting this instead of another Eureka/Bozja - content that I like - but I'm confused why anyone thinks the team working on this would be working on "helping more players get access to houses"? I feel like it's pretty obvious this is the "exploration content" for this expansion in place of Eureka/Bozja.

Housing is honestly the LOWEST priority of things this game needs, not the highest, yet it gets so much undue attention even though much of the community doesn't engage with it. And as much as you can say "that's because there aren't enough houses!"; no, many players just don't care at all about housing. And there are many other things that affect us all, so it would be better to address those things first anyway since they would reach far more people and probably be less costly in terms of development time and potential server instability issues.

I sincerely hope you are just stating a series of opinions because if not, you need to re-evaluate your thinking as you are making a LOT of foolish assumptions. Houses are a high priority for a great many people in the game. Just because they are not YOUR priority does not make it factual for everyone. Stating your claim as if it were a fact seems mightily selfish and presumptuous. A look at the data for Lottery participation would indicate that houses are important for a great many people. On my server alone, that number is in the thousands. As for your Eureka/Bozja, I have no interest in that and I know a lot of other people who feel likewise, yet we are not coming on to the forums to make claims that it should all be shut down. In fact I would argue that if it is content that entertains even a modest number of people, everyone should be sticking up for it. Content should be added, not removed, in order to satisfy a diverse population of players. I have no immediate interest in Island Sanctuaries, for example, but I am glad it is being put into the game. Who knows? I might even try it out at some point. So please, either clarify that your statements are simply your opinions or, if not, keep your proclamations to yourself. They are about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.