Is the "healing portion" of healers hitting a wall in EW?

[Atma]

No, people want to contribute.
Stop making it into a "you all just secretly want to play dps" when that's not what people are asking for. Many people asking for more dps buttons would prefer to have healing requirements drastically increased. Not just a little bit so it warrants using one oGCD more per fight but rather to a level where tank selfheal isn't nearly enough and you'll regularly have to dip into GCD heals to keep them alive.

As much as I would reply in-line to this, the order to address some requires a lot of jumping around.

You don't know the situation at all if you think this is about making every healer into a dps because we all just secretly want to play dps but can't admit it.

I don't think 'everyone' is that way. But I don't think capitulation is the answer. However, I think *enough* people are like that to make the next statement infeasible -

Tell me: what are our options? Realistic options, objectively speaking? We can have our pipe dreams but let's be realistic here for a moment.

The realistic option is just stop healing. If the healer pool were to even remotely begin to dry up because people didn't just slog through it despite being disgruntled about the situation then eventually at some point they'd have to finally reconsider their hardline stance. But enough people will never do so, because plenty of people *do* want that. I saw how many people jumped to SCH when it was introduced and the Faerie was sufficient healing for content and people rejoicing over "green DPS". That's practically where the term originated. You can ask all you want, that easily ignorable. Forcing the matter is the second choice, but you will never get it to happen because too many people are opposed to the notion.

Accepting more DPS actions and more DPS responsibility will feel 'good' for exactly 2 weeks before they just bump up monster HP to compensate if they give more damage or after the coat of paint rubs off when you realize you're just pressing more buttons to contribute the same amount if they keep it on-par with where it is now. It's a lose/lose situation that just sets back everything. The only thing that will ever get to where it actually feels like we are contributing is to continue to apply pressure until there's a paradigm shift.

I'm not going to even attempt to organize such a thing, because I'll just get shouted down for having the audacity to think healers should heal. I've already had enough bad experiences with this community on that topic, I'll spare myself the grief.

[IDontPetLalas]

As much as I would reply in-line to this, the order to address some requires a lot of jumping around.



I don't think 'everyone' is that way. But I don't think capitulation is the answer. However, I think *enough* people are like that to make the next statement infeasible -



The realistic option is just stop healing. If the healer pool were to even remotely begin to dry up because people didn't just slog through it despite being disgruntled about the situation then eventually at some point they'd have to finally reconsider their hardline stance. But enough people will never do so, because plenty of people *do* want that. I saw how many people jumped to SCH when it was introduced and the Faerie was sufficient healing for content and people rejoicing over "green DPS". That's practically where the term originated. You can ask all you want, that easily ignorable. Forcing the matter is the second choice, but you will never get it to happen because too many people are opposed to the notion.

Accepting more DPS actions and more DPS responsibility will feel 'good' for exactly 2 weeks before they just bump up monster HP to compensate if they give more damage or after the coat of paint rubs off when you realize you're just pressing more buttons to contribute the same amount if they keep it on-par with where it is now. It's a lose/lose situation that just sets back everything. The only thing that will ever get to where it actually feels like we are contributing is to continue to apply pressure until there's a paradigm shift.

I'm not going to even attempt to organize such a thing, because I'll just get shouted down for having the audacity to think healers should heal. I've already had enough bad experiences with this community on that topic, I'll spare myself the grief.

i'm curious about one thing. kindly indulge me.

how many people do you think jumped to sage so that they could heal by dpsing, intending to have that as their main healer? do you think that sage remains popular among healers?

my answer would be 'yes', i would be interested in knowing, given the above.

[Raikai]

i'm curious about one thing. kindly indulge me.

how many people do you think jumped to sage so that they could heal by dpsing, intending to have that as their main healer? do you think that sage remains popular among healers?

my answer would be 'yes', i would be interested in knowing, given the above.

One thing I know... Sage's "heal through dps" aspect was a big letdown to me because it's a very peripheral aspect of the job to the point that you could even go without Kardia without many issues. To me it feels like that healing is a slightly better version of Regen.

I don't feel either the distinction between barrier and pure healers being that evident, since the shields that SGEs and SCHs usually go are all big cooldowns, and even funnier that these "roles" have very strong representations with the other's specialty too, making this distinction even weaker.

[Atma]

i'm curious about one thing. kindly indulge me.

how many people do you think jumped to sage so that they could heal by dpsing, intending to have that as their main healer? do you think that sage remains popular among healers?

my answer would be 'yes', i would be interested in knowing, given the above.

Challenging question to answer considering it was also part of a fundamental rework to split classes between barrier and pure healers and SCH evolved over 2 expansions into a... I'd probably call it 'contentious' class to say the least. I think some would have tried to do that, but become disenchanted with it when they realized that it closer to SGE regen than it was playing a disc priest in WoW (outside of Soteria, of course.)

Personally I prefer SCH to Sage when it comes to the barrier healer subdivide, and WHM over Ast in the "pure healer" side mostly because I don't care for the randomness of the latter. I'm still experimenting with SGE, I don't quite like the way addersting works when you're in an alliance and someone outside of your group ends up being the main tank, it feels very clunky there.

(Edited.. Oh... someone kinda said the same thing about SGE when I was typing a reply...)

Yes, I want more buttons for the same output. There. I said it.

Ok, good on ya. I don't want them using that as an excuse to continue to leave the fundamental underlying problem unaddressed for another 5 years.

And no, it won't only last for 2 weeks, you're making a lot of assumptions about people you don't even know and all for the purpose proving your point when assumptions prove exactly nothing.

Good lord, it's a hyperbolic statement intended to convey the sentiment that I don't believe the temporary excitement provided by having 2 new buttons to push will last that long. Not everything is intended to be taken strictly literally.

And yet I can't remember anyone ever asking for that. That's all your assumption and I can't find proof of it.

Ok, then riddle me this - why do all the posts for 'give me DPS actions" get all the traction and posts like "give me something novel like healing combos" almost always get ignored? Some things are tacit.