The Future of WHM

[Supersnow845]

Is that really a problem at all when the healing kit is as bloated as it is and the worst consequence of healer miscalculating is usually just having to pay the DPS back with interest if you need to fall back on GCD heals?

Like yeah, in theory you might be able to do so some last second healing with lilies and aetherflow that you can't with GCDs when people are eating mechanics left and right. But with how the server ticks are and how hard the double-hit mechanics tend to punish, it's still basically a hail mary and people tend to die anyway unless you foresee a player's mistake well beforehand.

I mean without it’s lilys WHM’s “free throughput” was pretty terrible, it isn’t a problem if all healers are like this but you can’t have that sort of problem with WHM when SGE and AST exist in their current form

[Silver-Strider]

My point is that WHM is the real reason why healer design has stagnated

Are you serious?
WHM has constantly had to give away parts of its toolkit every expansion to SCH/AST. From Protect, to Divine Seal, to Shroud of Saints, to Cleric Stance, even f$%^ing Repose, had to be shared. What room did WHM have to grow in SB? The Lily System was universally panned for its poor execution. They didn't get any new DPS spells. Divine Benison and PI had many issues with them. The only saving grace of SB was Thin Air and you couldn't build on that. Had SE given WHM the current Lily System in SB instead of a dumpster fire, maybe they could have expanded on it back then before they murdered everyone but that isn't the timeline we live in.

SE shot themselves in the foot with Healer design but instead of fixing it, they've allowed it to bleed out.

[Supersnow845]

Are you serious?
WHM has constantly had to give away parts of its toolkit every expansion to SCH/AST. From Protect, to Divine Seal, to Shroud of Saints, to Cleric Stance, even f$%^ing Repose, had to be shared. What room did WHM have to grow in SB? The Lily System was universally panned for its poor execution. They didn't get any new DPS spells. Divine Benison and PI had many issues with them. The only saving grace of SB was Thin Air and you couldn't build on that. Had SE given WHM the current Lily System in SB instead of a dumpster fire, maybe they could have expanded on it back then before they murdered everyone but that isn't the timeline we live in.

SE shot themselves in the foot with Healer design but instead of fixing it, they've allowed it to bleed out.

I mean that’s kinda exactly the point, WHM got the kinda interesting parts of its kit given to AST/SCH and AST/SCH got the interesting parts of their kit deleted so that WHM wouldn’t be left in the dumpster. Sure it boils back to the lily system in SB being an absolute dumpster fire but WHM being held back for an expansion isn’t AST or SCH’s fault

Every time the healers are simplified it’s to make them look more like WHM and generally in a time when WHM is struggling

[Silver-Strider]

I mean that’s kinda exactly the point, WHM got the kinda interesting parts of its kit given to AST/SCH and AST/SCH got the interesting parts of their kit deleted so that WHM wouldn’t be left in the dumpster. Sure it boils back to the lily system in SB being an absolute dumpster fire but WHM being held back for an expansion isn’t AST or SCH’s fault

Every time the healers are simplified it’s to make them look more like WHM and generally in a time when WHM is struggling

I would understand that if WHM was the one with only 1 Nuke/DoT but that wasn't the case since WHM always had at least 2 DoTs from ARR thru SB. It doesn't really make sense that if they were trying to simplify SCH/AST down to WHM levels if even "simple" WHM could handle 2 DoTs.

[Shurrikhan]

Spells Afflatus Solace and Afflatus Rapture will replace Cure II and Medica whenever a lily is in bloom.

Please no. What is the point of having our free-healing as GCDs instead of oGCDs if we can't take advantage of their advantages over oGCDs (on-demand mobility and weave space)?

If the appeal is simply to save buttons on a job that is already the least button-bloated of the healers, then at least retain the ability to time features to their need. For instance, consolidate Thin Air to have your next curative GCD consume a Lily and thereby have its cast time reduced by 3 seconds, cost no MP, and progress your Blood Lily. That still retains the ability to choose when it ought to be used and saves you three keys.

[Silver-Strider]

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Turn Thin Air into Eukrasia more or less.

[Shurrikhan]

Turn Thin Air into Eukrasia more or less.

If the point is mere button consolidation, kind of. Or really just a conditional (intercepted only by Cure II, Medica, Medica II) Swiftcast with the added benefits of Blood Lily generation and no MP costs.

There's a ton more than can be done with all that, but if we're going so far as to remove the key benefits of having our free-casts on the GCD instead of oGCDs just to save a couple buttons, you might as well instead trim three buttons without losing any of those benefits.

[Sarixis]

While I'm flattered that my content is a part of a conversation outside of Youtube again, it does make me sad that it's the content that I consider an old shame at this point.

[Silver-Strider]

While I'm flattered that my content is a part of a conversation outside of Youtube again, it does make me sad that it's the content that I consider an old shame at this point.

Don't feel bad. Building off a foundation is a lot easier for people to do and you gave them that foundation to work with so they could enhance/adjust it for their own ideas. It's a good thing.

I know I didn't agree with everything in your original video myself but it did get me to think differently and the things I did agree with, I continue to push for so I think it's a good conversation piece worthy of discussion.

[Sarixis]

Don't feel bad. Building off a foundation is a lot easier for people to do and you gave them that foundation to work with so they could enhance/adjust it for their own ideas. It's a good thing.

I know I didn't agree with everything in your original video myself but it did get me to think differently and the things I did agree with, I continue to push for so I think it's a good conversation piece worthy of discussion.

I don't think the videos were fundamentally bad, and still stand by some of the ideas. I just have more mixed feelings about them now after getting novella-length comments that can be summarized as "Umm actually, here's why your ideas are wrong!" and it just murdered any interest to continue with that type of content. Having said videos still be the most successful on my channel despite completely changing gears to be more of an FF historian is also a bit irksome thanks to the algorithm's shackles.

Hearing that people like you are inspired by the videos does keep me from hating them though. And people have my blessing to continue referencing said videos for attempts at good faith and constructive discussion when they clearly just want to see something they care about in the game be better.