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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    We'll see where they take things, I suppose. 6.1 mostly dealt with Thavnair where the MSQ's were concerned. It seems like we'll eventually catch up with Jullus and the twins again but that could be during 6.2 or at a later point. So long as we get some manner of 'happy ending' for the Garleans that is respectful to their past plight and future challenges then I'll be content.
    Honestly at this point I really don't see how they can do a 'happy ending' for the Garleans there civilian population seems to have been functionally exterminated by Fandaniel so I'm not sure what they'll be salvaging out of Garlemald
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    Honestly at this point I really don't see how they can do a 'happy ending' for the Garleans there civilian population seems to have been functionally exterminated by Fandaniel so I'm not sure what they'll be salvaging out of Garlemald
    I feel like the best case scenario would be for an arrangement to be made for them and the other people of Ilsabard to co-exist in Corvos and other provinces that are amenable to the idea.

    There doesn't seem to be any indication that that wasn't the case originally, as the G tribe was stated to have lived there since the time of the Allagans, but it's only at some later point that aggressors from neighboring regions chased out the Garleans. For all we know there might be only one specific group that was responsible for that, but the Garleans ended up pursuing disproportionate retribution and decided to make enemies of the entire continent; even those who had no hand in their exile.

    Those years of bad blood aren't just going to wash away quickly, though, and I can easily see a new conflict brewing as a result of the remaining Garlean legions desiring to reclaim Corvos after the Final Days largely eliminated their presence in the region. I will welcome such a thing if it's not a simple matter of right vs. wrong and radical parties on both sides of things serve as obstacles to peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    I feel like the best case scenario would be for an arrangement to be made for them and the other people of Ilsabard to co-exist in Corvos and other provinces that are amenable to the idea.

    There doesn't seem to be any indication that that wasn't the case originally, as the G tribe was stated to have lived there since the time of the Allagans, but it's only at some later point that aggressors from neighboring regions chased out the Garleans. For all we know there might be only one specific group that was responsible for that, but the Garleans ended up pursuing disproportionate retribution and decided to make enemies of the entire continent; even those who had no hand in their exile.

    Those years of bad blood aren't just going to wash away quickly, though, and I can easily see a new conflict brewing as a result of the remaining Garlean legions desiring to reclaim Corvos after the Final Days largely eliminated their presence in the region. I will welcome such a thing if it's not a simple matter of right vs. wrong and radical parties on both sides of things serve as obstacles to peace.
    I imagine after a near universe ending event people would probably be a bit more open to just moving on, especially with Garlemald being destroyed and the Garleans learning the truth.
    You're not wrong that there would be a bunch of crap with people incapable of moving on but I don't think it'd be something you wouldn't be able to keep under control.

    I mean irl we have a lot of countries with VERY bloody histories that today are very good friends including multiple world wars on top of it all.
    People all things considered moved on very quickly from WW2 which I'd say was worse than what the Garleans were up to ( even if the Garlemald was really bad, but they afaik didn't have gas chambers etc... ).
    Not to mention that Garlemald had a crap ton of Eorzeans doing a lot of really bad stuff under their umbrella.
    I think people would just kinda be done tbh, we've seen it many times irl too at some point things just get so bad that people have enough and just decide to stop.

    Garleans I don't think are in any position to do anything either and learning the truth of their Empire I think would be internally conflicting enough to stop any large scale uprising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolsykol View Post
    I imagine after a near universe ending event people would probably be a bit more open to just moving on, especially with Garlemald being destroyed and the Garleans learning the truth.
    You're not wrong that there would be a bunch of crap with people incapable of moving on but I don't think it'd be something you wouldn't be able to keep under control.

    I mean irl we have a lot of countries with VERY bloody histories that today are very good friends including multiple world wars on top of it all.
    People all things considered moved on very quickly from WW2 which I'd say was worse than what the Garleans were up to ( even if the Garlemald was really bad, but they afaik didn't have gas chambers etc... ).
    Not to mention that Garlemald had a crap ton of Eorzeans doing a lot of really bad stuff under their umbrella.
    I think people would just kinda be done tbh, we've seen it many times irl too at some point things just get so bad that people have enough and just decide to stop.

    Garleans I don't think are in any position to do anything either and learning the truth of their Empire I think would be internally conflicting enough to stop any large scale uprising.
    The Omega questline and final role quest did note that some of the Garleans were just sick of it all and simply wanted to focus on survival, but at the same time there were some who remained stubbornly patriotic in the face of everything and were reluctant to accept aid or cooperate with the non-Garleans.

    Apply the latter attitude to one or more of the remaining legions holed up Ilsabard's provinces and things are liable to not go swimmingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    Honestly at this point I really don't see how they can do a 'happy ending' for the Garleans there civilian population seems to have been functionally exterminated by Fandaniel so I'm not sure what they'll be salvaging out of Garlemald
    I'm already waiting for Garlemald Restoration in the next xpac. Crafters/gatherers gonna need another shortcut to get them selves shot through ShB/EW content faster. Plus, Ishgard was generally pretty well-regarded content.
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