Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[ZavosEsperian]

Personally, I do not think there should be any side content prerequisites for relic related content. Ivalice being required in ShB was as big of a mistake as requiring all of Hildibrand: it forces players to potentially interact with content they do not find enjoyable for the sake of generating a lead in to a long grind fest. In reality, doing the side content the relic is based off of should just provide the player with alternate dialogue and additional context more than anything.

What I find most appalling is the community shredding itself over differences of opinion. It is rather telling when people who enjoy particular pieces of content refer to it as "making this group suffer" when they are told they need to do old side content to do relevant content, particularly related to relic which is something people do play the game to grind out. Understand when I say this, it may seem targeted at a specific group of players, however it is not, there are other cases of this that I have witnessed through the years of me playing the game where people refer to it as such.

Personal attacks on other community members will not help out the community, let alone this discussion. It shows specific people do not really care about the game and its development. Rather, for these individuals, all they care about is watching players that do not do specific pieces of content that they enjoy suffer through it.

While I know the devs would (hopefully) never do this, consider if the requirement for the relic was completion of the previous Ultimate Raids, or even Savage Raids. It is a rather extreme example but sometimes these examples are required to show why making specific arguments are inherently flawed.

[KizuyaKatogami]

So you don't like the game?

I’m just simply remarking on your false statement. We’re getting the same content we always do with only 1 new thing, which is typically the go to for every expansion, there’s usually one “new” shiny thing. Look at stormblood and eureka, ShB and ishgard restoration etc.

[Zaredth]

I’m just simply remarking on your false statement. We’re getting the same content we always do with only 1 new thing, which is typically the go to for every expansion, there’s usually one “new” shiny thing. Look at stormblood and eureka, ShB and ishgard restoration etc.

So putting humor in our grind and giving exploration area a break is not breaking a formula after two expansions?

Edit: Adding a new thing, if it is one "shiny new thing" is either adding to or changing the formula. Just saying. If you are seeking drastic changes to fit around your taste. A new game is an option or take a break.

Idk, color me blind, it sounds like to me based on your statements you haven't like the game for quite awhile.

[KizuyaKatogami]

So putting humor in our grind and giving exploration area a break is not breaking a formula after two expansions?

Bozja had some humor. You had the whole Gerolt and Rowena bit at the beginning. By your logic we can say ShB broke the formula for relics already by having 2 instanced zones as opposed to 4 lol.

[Saraide]

So putting humor in our grind and giving exploration area a break is not breaking a formula after two expansions?

Definitely not. Same with the criterion dungeons. They still have "dungeon" in the name so they are obviously going to be the exact same as every other dungeon therefore not breaking a forumula. /s

[RyuDragnier]

Personally, I do not think there should be any side content requirements for relic related content. Ivalice being required in ShB was as big of a mistake as requiring all of Hildibrand: it forces players to potentially interact with content they do not find enjoyable for the sake of generating a lead in to a long grind fest. In reality, doing the side content the relic is based off of should just provide the player with alternate dialogue and additional context more than anything.

The thing is, it's been like this since the beginning. The original ARR relic unlocked the HM primals, Chimera, and the Hydra, and you had to do ALL of them to get the relics, as well as run a bunch of other optional side content like HM dungeons. The relic quest and initial unlocks have been like this since the beginning, and hasn't changed in that aspect. You either accept this and do it anyway, or you do not and you never touch the relic. Those are the options here.

[Zaredth]

Hmm, I am getting the vibes you two care more about being right than the game changes. To say a change from the usual is not a change, thats a weird definition of change, formula, etc. Just sounds like to me you guys want a different game. Which is totally okay, nothing wrong with that.

Also anyone arguing that its not fair to do a seperate questline before doing the relic, either you are new to relics or forgot what a relic is about. Its a grind reward system to essentially supplement dungeons, trials, etc. for new players. Its meant to take a little bit of work. I seen very little argument when CT Questline became mandatory and I know quite of few who didn't care for Graha Tia at first.

[IkaraGreydancer]

It would feel far more warranted if anything actually happened to us our our allies. But instead we manage to avert a universal threat with not even a scratch on our bodies. We already got multiple lunch dates, chill time with the loporris, magical girl adventures with Yshtola. When is enough, enough?

Again, how much ofcthe msq is light hearted and how much of it is serious? When is enough enough? I think we're all wondering the same thing about you guys. What Scion in the history of the game has gotten scratches from anything? You act like we just beat everything with no qualms whatsoever which is far from true. I've already explained earlier that the scions already have solid foundations as people by this point. Things like despair ain't going to phase them personally same for Zenos though for different reasons.

Also this is SIDE CONTENT. Skip it if you don't like it. It's not an issue. The writers are allowing the Scions to live like actual people, not Uber edgelords that have little to n fun or enjoyment outside of conflict in their lives

[Zaredth]

Anyways, yall take it easy. Take a breath, have a cup of coffee or something. Its not the end of the world guys. We just prevented that

[KizuyaKatogami]

Again, how much ofcthe msq is light hearted and how much of it is serious? When is enough enough? I think we're all wondering the same thing about you guys. What Scion in the history of the game has gotten scratches from anything? You act like we just beat everything with no qualms whatsoever which is far from true. I've already explained earlier that the scions already have solid foundations as people by this point. Things like despair ain't going to phase them personally same for Zenos though for different reasons.

Also this is SIDE CONTENT. Skip it if you don't like it. It's not an issue. The writers are allowing the Scions to live like actual people, not Uber edgelords that have little to n fun or enjoyment outside of conflict in their lives

What scion has gotten scratches? Let’s see….

Thancred lost his ability to manipulate Aether.
Yshtola lost her sight and at least before it was retconned was proclaimed to be slowly sapping away her life energies

Papalymo sacrifices himself

Most of the scions in the waking sands were massacred or given life threatening injuries

I didn’t even mention anything about despair affecting them. Sure we can handwave that, but they’ve been injured and or died to far weaker foes than the likes of Endsinger, or unsundered ancients. Yet it’s against these foes that they lost nothing. Instead we get constant slice of life scenes and the budget goes towards said scenes, with Yoshi P himself stating the most expensive thing to animate this expansion was Estinien’s foot on a balcony. Imagine if instead of all these slice of life scenes, we could have gotten a cinematic of Hydaelyn vs Zodiark, something actually rich in lore and the foundation of the games life rather than burger eating, date scenes, or yshtola acting like a 5 yr old magical girl.