Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[YukikoKurosawa]

Many people have already done the Hildy quests for the enjoyment of them without even being aware they would even be made mandatory for anything. So for those of us who have we can just go straight into building up the new relics on release day.

Which already puts it leagues above both the pre-requisites and mandatory grind for Eurka and Bozja relics. This is really only a problem for people who never did Hildy or don't like them, in which case, spend a few hours skipping cutscenes. I don't know why anyone would prefer Eureka or Bozja style of relic grinding over this.

On top of that what do you even need the relics for? BIS? For what content? Nothing out right now even requires relics, the hardest content ever released was cleared with savage gear. Who the fuck cares about relics save for glamour, or parsers obsessed with having higher and higher numbers to flex over? Unless you seriously care about the glam (and most likely they'll be goofy and stupid looking considering what they're associated with) this entire drama is a complete non-issue.

The real drama should be if they finally show what they're going to look like and they look goofy and stupid as I predict they will.

[XiRon]

Many people have already done the Hildy quests for the enjoyment of them without even being aware they would even be made mandatory for anything. So for those of us who have we can just go straight into building up the new relics on release day.

Which already puts it leagues above both the pre-requisites and mandatory grind for Eurka and Bozja relics. This is really only a problem for people who never did Hildy or don't like them, in which case, spend a few hours skipping cutscenes. I don't know why anyone would prefer Eureka or Bozja style of relic grinding over this.

On top of that what do you even need the relics for? BIS? For what content? Nothing out right now even requires relics, the hardest content ever released was cleared with savage gear. Who the fuck cares about relics save for glamour, or parsers obsessed with having higher and higher numbers to flex over? Unless you seriously care about the glam (and most likely they'll be goofy and stupid looking considering what they're associated with) this entire drama is a complete non-issue.

BiS only matters for ultimate and there IS an ultimate in 6.3 supposedly (it could get a pushback). But beyond that nothing ever requires BiS people get in such a tizzy over it because...bis saves like maybe a half minute in Savage, whoopie. Which wont matter by 6.55 anyway bc gear'll be high enough to manage anything with tomestone or even crafted gear.

[ZavosEsperian]

Which already puts it leagues above both the pre-requisites and mandatory grind for Eurka and Bozja relics.

Per the 4.25 Patch Notes:



Other than beating the MSQ and completing your level 70 Job Quest because that is how those relics work (and lets be honest, you need to do it anyway for a level 70 job ability). What else am I missing as far as prerequisites go for Eureka Weapons? The mandatory grind is irrelevant because all relics have mandatory grinds, it is more of a matter of whether you liked that style of mandatory grind. I will never justify a prerequisite for a relic as I was not a fan of that in ShB either.

[TaleraRistain]

Per the 4.25 Patch Notes:



Other than beating the MSQ and completing your level 70 Job Quest because that is how those relics work (and lets be honest, you need to do it anyway for a level 70 job ability). What else am I missing as far as prerequisites go for Eureka Weapons? The mandatory grind is irrelevant because all relics have mandatory grinds, it is more of a matter of whether you liked that style of mandatory grind. I will never justify a prerequisite for a relic as I was not a fan of that in ShB either.

The problem with Eureka and Bozja in comparison to ARR and HW is that once you fulfilled the prerequisite in ARR and HW, you could access the entire questline for the given expansion's relic weapon. There were no further requirements just to unlock the quest except completing the previous step.

Eureka and Bozja don't work that way. You have to not only meet any prerequisites just to start the quest, but you have roadblocks where you must progress through the exploration zone content and reach certain milestones just to unlock the next quest in the series. And you still have the same grind present in the quest-focused series on top of that.

[Dikatis]

As someone who's been keeping up with Hildibrand and enjoy his misadventures, I'm not personally bothered by this, but I can understand why gating content can feel bad for people. For a game that has a lot of freedom of choice on how to spend your time, forcing players to tackle a form of side content they don't enjoy (even if it's just 2 hours spent skipping through cutscenes) to get to the part they do want isn't the best game design considering that only 1/4 relic questlines up to this point had any requirements besides MSQ (though you could also say similar things about the secret role quests in ShB and EW).

I also agree with the sentiment that this pushes Hildibrand adventures into semi-mandatory territory for people who want the weapons (however they look like, I'm not convinced that they're all going to be joke-y looking. Even then, Eureka and Blade weapons were very hit-or-miss with their aesthetics), which may be unpleasant. It's not like you can't engage with Godbert outside of Hildibrand's adventures anyways, but I'd be interested in seeing why Hildibrand was made mandatory to access this questline.

[Zaniel]

As someone who's been keeping up with Hildibrand and enjoy his misadventures, I'm not personally bothered by this, but I can understand why gating content can feel bad for people.

As people have mentioned the gating around Bozja was vastly higher than Hildibrand but are we really going to complain about gating using content? I mean if they were gating content based on something that CAN'T be done by someone (eg Savage because various people aren't in a position to fulfill that gate) then I would understand but it's an MMO, doing stuff to access stuff is part of the whole design concept. Are we going to complain about every blue marker quest in the game on an item-by-item level? At least Hildibrand is accessible to anyone who can summon the will and skill to press a mouse button.

[XiRon]

I really just hope the weapon contest designs are added to the game for mgp.
They were made by fans they should be usable at lv1 for funsies not an endgame weapon.
Also they aint updated the weapon mgp selection since stb jobs, as theres nothing for gnb, dnc, rpr, or sge.

On that fanmade note, add nongendered Neoishgardian lv1 gear ala sky pirate glams lol I'd kill to wear the ladies fending or healing battlegown I hate the vest thing.

[Deveryn]

I really just hope the weapon contest designs are added to the game for mgp.
They were made by fans they should be usable at lv1 for funsies not an endgame weapon.
Also they aint updated the weapon mgp selection since stb jobs, as theres nothing for gnb, dnc, rpr, or sge.

On that fanmade note, add nongendered Neoishgardian lv1 gear ala sky pirate glams lol I'd kill to wear the ladies fending or healing battlegown I hate the vest thing.

They should absolutely be somewhere in this round of relic questing. I think there's a set of player made armor that was put in a dungeon and then made it to the crafting log for EW. Putting it up for MGP just doesn't seem right.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Just do it.

[Jaquan]

54 pages just for that? Damn we're really living in a paradise if that's enough to get people rilled. Frankly people really seem to miss a very obvious reasons of tying the unlock requirements to the Mandeville Questline. It's the questline that incidentally gives us the most required information about Godbert. That and establish relationship he has with WoL (Which is that we're friends to his son). It's also the only questline that gives us insight into his incredible skills even if those were played for a joke. Repairing the shattered vase (and later reworking it further)) or basically rebuilding Vivi twice without ever damaging any of his unique components/mechanisms. Frankly Hildi quests also cover up things we learn in other much more obscure side content - his status as a member of Syndicate, his good nature both in repairing the vase for free and his promise to use his status to try and undo the Ul'dah revisionist history writing. All those tightly packed in a joke Questline.