Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[IkaraGreydancer]

What scion has gotten scratches? Let’s see….

Thancred lost his ability to manipulate Aether.
Yshtola lost her sight and at least before it was retconned was proclaimed to be slowly sapping away her life energies

Papalymo sacrifices himself

Most of the scions in the waking sands were massacred or given life threatening injuries

I didn’t even mention anything about despair affecting them. Sure we can handwave that, but they’ve been injured and or died to far weaker foes than the likes of Endsinger, or unsundered ancients. Yet it’s against these foes that they lost nothing. Instead we get constant slice of life scenes and the budget goes towards said scenes, with Yoshi P himself stating the most expensive thing to animate this expansion was Estinien’s foot on a balcony. Imagine if instead of all these slice of life scenes, we could have gotten a cinematic of Hydaelyn vs Zodiark, something actually rich in lore and the foundation of the games life rather than burger eating, date scenes, or yshtola acting like a 5 yr old magical girl.

Last I checked Ysh's eyesight was never retconned. It's was said her life was draining that doesn't mean she'd die soon. And Thancred can't manipulate aether which happened in ARR, and hasn't had anything happened to him since until ShB with his near death fight with Ranjit (folks call that a cop out ofc) and then nothing til EW. Papy is indeed gone, the only main one outside of maybe Meon to do so, and even that wasn't until SB for him.

Yes the scions have been injured by weaker foes than the endsinger but they have gotten stronger same as us. And unless you missed it we got them out of there to avoid them getting hurt further. They weren't around for Zodis fight so we have no guage there. Also again with these "we get constant slice of life scenes". How often do we REALLY get those in the story? I've asked you to find this out like 3 times now. As for your lore right cutscene? We already got that in the Venat sundering. That's one of if not the best cutscene in the entire game and I'm FAR from the only person who thinks this. Same for the other scenes in the game. Battling n new animations all over the place in EW unlike anything we've seen so far from the game, yet folks are upset about burgers...oh and Ysh's magic girl bit is indeed character development something your crowd has complained about Scions not having but I guess thats bad now too?

And frankly wtf does any of this have to do with Hildy weps? Take the EW distain to that 6k post thread

[KizuyaKatogami]

Last I checked Ysh's eyesight was never retconned. It's was said her life was draining that doesn't mean she'd die soon. And Thancred can't manipulate aether which happened in ARR, and hasn't had anything happened to him since until ShB with his near death fight with Ranjit (folks call that a cop out ofc) and then nothing til EW. Papy is indeed gone, the only main one outside of maybe Meon to do so, and even that wasn't until SB for him.

Yes the scions have been injured by weaker foes than the endsinger but they have gotten stronger same as us. And unless you missed it we got them out of there to avoid them getting hurt further. They weren't around for Zodis fight so we have no guage there. Also again with these "we get constant slice of life scenes". How often do we REALLY get those in the story? I've asked you to find this out like 3 times now. As for your lore right cutscene? We already got that in the Venat sundering. That's one of if not the best cutscene in the entire game and I'm FAR from the only person who thinks this. Same for the other scenes in the game. Battling n new animations all over the place in EW unlike anything we've seen so far from the game, yet folks are upset about burgers...oh and Ysh's magic girl bit is indeed character development something your crowd has complained about Scions not having but I guess thats bad now too?

And frankly wtf does any of this have to do with Hildy weps? Take the EW distain to that 6k post thread

Yshtola's life draining has never been mentioned since, not even a remark upon her have significant more draining in ShB due to being away from her body etc. As for your Venat's cutscene comment.....Its one of the worst lore ones. It portrays events inaccurately and out of order and is all via her biased perspective. As for how this is relevant, one of the reasons this was brought up was due to the seriousness of the story and hildibrand being more slice of life comedy which was prevalent in EW.

As for the slice of life scenes, what do you want me to go and count each and every one? you do that if it bothers you so much. Again, the most expensive animation this expansion was a slice of life fluff scene. Talk about mismanagement of resources.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Yshtola's life draining has never been mentioned since, not even a remark upon her have significant more draining in ShB due to being away from her body etc. As for your Venat's cutscene comment.....Its one of the worst lore ones. It portrays events inaccurately and out of order and is all via her biased perspective. As for how this is relevant, one of the reasons this was brought up was due to the seriousness of the story and hildibrand being more slice of life comedy which was prevalent in EW.

As for the slice of life scenes, what do you want me to go and count each and every one? you do that if it bothers you so much. Again, the most expensive animation this expansion was a slice of life fluff scene. Talk about mismanagement of resources.

Was all biased towards her view? Wtf was biased about us being in her place walking towards Hades? What was biased about the fact she KNOWS conflict will come from those who will come after her? Where was it confirmed that her pleading to her people and them refusing is just her bias? Hate Venat all you want but keep your injection out of that. And last I checked something not being mentioned isn't a retcon...and yes Slice of life was prevalent yet wasn't the majority. Folks just laser focus on that aspect same as you. Also the story and all the seriousness is done for now. Is this not the best time to get into full on jokey stuff? And again...no one even knows if the quest line will be all jokes. Yall are once again assuming it is and adding more to the cesspool that is these forums. The Omega quest line isn't jokey, nor is the Pandemonium one or the alliance one we have. Yet let one other piece be POTENTIALLY fun n jokes and yall throw fits.
It's ridiculous at this point

[Lustre]

I think people's concern is that we just went from literally saving the universe with the PoWEr oF FrIeNdShIp, and now the relic weapon quests, normally used to give mid/end game players something to grind out in content downtime and also add to the game's lore and worldbuilding, is being relegated to Silly Man Doing Silly Things and potentially losing a Field Operations zone. There's a very particular tone shift in my opinion. I watched somebody playing ARR the other day, and it shocked me how different in tone it was. It felt like a final fantasy game. It was grittier, the stakes weren't higher but they felt real. it had its own identity, one that wouldn't be too far from ff1-10. What do we see now? Half of Eorzea looks like they should be in a korean boy band, not a final fantasy game. Much of the stuff we see now is very surface level, and erring into shonen/slice of life anime territory. Which is fine, but it's not exactly what a lot of people were playing for. I do not see people engage with this argument much, they tend to respond to imaginary strawman arguments.

And also just to add, I was able to figure out what annoys me about the Hildi quests so much. The animation, cutscenes and special effects etc are of a much higher quality than anything you'd see in an MSQ cutscene. There's more well done scenes in SB hildy than there was in the entirety of the last expansion, you know, the big finale to end a saga. It's weird. Why spend this much time on a naked man with a hammer in a side-quest 50% of people wont do and 25% will skip when there's REALLY important scenes in the MSQ where it either gets left to the imagination or my character stands there like a mannequin nodding like a car dashboard figurine...

[Zaredth]

I think people's concern is that we just went from literally saving the universe with the PoWEr oF FrIeNdShIp, and now the relic weapon quests, normally used to give mid/end game players something to grind out in content downtime and also add to the game's lore and worldbuilding, is being relegated to Silly Man Doing Silly Things and potentially losing a Field Operations zone. There's a very particular tone shift in my opinion. I watched somebody playing ARR the other day, and it shocked me how different in tone it was. It felt like a final fantasy game. It was grittier, the stakes weren't higher but they felt real. it had its own identity, one that wouldn't be too far from ff1-10. What do we see now? Half of Eorzea looks like they should be in a korean boy band, not a final fantasy game. Much of the stuff we see now is very surface level, and erring into shonen/slice of life anime territory. Which is fine, but it's not exactly what a lot of people were playing for. I do not see people engage with this argument much, they tend to respond to imaginary strawman arguments.

And also just to add, I was able to figure out what annoys me about the Hildi quests so much. The animation, cutscenes and special effects etc are of a much higher quality than anything you'd see in an MSQ cutscene. There's more well done scenes in SB hildy than there was in the entirety of the last expansion, you know, the big finale to end a saga. It's weird. Why spend this much time on a naked man with a hammer in a side-quest 50% of people wont do and 25% will skip when there's REALLY important scenes in the MSQ where it either gets left to the imagination or my character stands there like a mannequin nodding like a car dashboard figurine...

Once again, it sounds like you don't like the game anymore and you want a different game. FF16 is coming soon, perhaps thats something to look forward to. Sounds like it is right up your alley mate.

[Lauront]

Once again, it sounds like you don't like the game anymore and you want a different game. FF16 is coming soon, perhaps thats something to look forward to. Sounds like it is right up your alley mate.

It's coming in a year. It's also not an MMO. We also have no idea whether it will live up to the hype. You are just bleating "go play something else" to someone explaining their concerns and offering their feedback about the game in the (perhaps vain) hope that the devs listen (...on a site they put out there for this express purpose, no less) and thus that it remains or shifts back to something they want to play, whilst trying to pretend that side-content that is at best parenthetic to the game's identity is somehow core to it. Give it a rest.

[Lustre]

Once again, it sounds like you don't like the game anymore and you want a different game. FF16 is coming soon, perhaps thats something to look forward to. Sounds like it is right up your alley mate.

Not really, I appreciate they're leaning into fantasy aspects more than the hi-tech stuff we've seen recently (13, 15), I am concerned that it's going to essentially be a reskinned FF15 and the lack of turn based party combat is a deal breaker for me. I hope it does well though so staff can work on 14 more. There's still more in FF14 that I like rather than dislike. It's just that i've been in similar MMO communities in the past, and I always regretted not speaking my opinion when things happened I and others didn't like. And then before I knew it, the game was totally different from what I'd have wanted it to be. So I feel like i've a vested interest in just "saying it as it is" when it comes to issues in this game. My complaints come from a place of passion, not malice. I want to see this game succeed well into the future, I just don't think the light-hearted tone will do much for people in the long run. It's like sweets, they're nice in small amounts, but if you eat too much you'll get sick. That's how I feel about all the derpy slice of life stuff haha.

Maybe one day I will decide that my time spent has been enough, and maybe the game will "move away" from me so to speak, but until I feel that day's here, I'll call out anything I feel I need to

[Treesus]

Ive run through the entire hildabrand questline upto the newest content in less then 2 days on an alt quite recently. If this is considered "a grind" or "too much" for you, then relic weapons were probably not going to be for you in the first place.

[Deveryn]

In all these pages, did anyone notice there's apparently no new battlefield to grind? This already sounds like the best relic series. It's also good for anyone that might even want to do Bozja whether it be for leveling or relics.

[Tlamila]

In all these pages, did anyone notice there's apparently no new battlefield to grind? This already sounds like the best relic series. It's also good for anyone that might even want to do Bozja whether it be for leveling or relics.

What are you talking about, this thread is the new battlefield, really.

Jokes apart, does not having an instanced area automatically make a relic better? Cause by that logic ARR and HW relics are the best to date, and yet they're not famous for being fun to do.