Hildibrand for relic? Really?

[ZavosEsperian]

Personally, I do not think there should be any side content prerequisites for relic related content. Ivalice being required in ShB was as big of a mistake as requiring all of Hildibrand: it forces players to potentially interact with content they do not find enjoyable for the sake of generating a lead in to a long grind fest. In reality, doing the side content the relic is based off of should just provide the player with alternate dialogue and additional context more than anything.

What I find most appalling is the community shredding itself over differences of opinion. It is rather telling when people who enjoy particular pieces of content refer to it as "making this group suffer" when they are told they need to do old side content to do relevant content, particularly related to relic which is something people do play the game to grind out. Understand when I say this, it may seem targeted at a specific group of players, however it is not, there are other cases of this that I have witnessed through the years of me playing the game where people refer to it as such.

Personal attacks on other community members will not help out the community, let alone this discussion. It shows specific people do not really care about the game and its development. Rather, for these individuals, all they care about is watching players that do not do specific pieces of content that they enjoy suffer through it.

While I know the devs would (hopefully) never do this, consider if the requirement for the relic was completion of the previous Ultimate Raids, or even Savage Raids. It is a rather extreme example but sometimes these examples are required to show why making specific arguments are inherently flawed.

[RyuDragnier]

Personally, I do not think there should be any side content requirements for relic related content. Ivalice being required in ShB was as big of a mistake as requiring all of Hildibrand: it forces players to potentially interact with content they do not find enjoyable for the sake of generating a lead in to a long grind fest. In reality, doing the side content the relic is based off of should just provide the player with alternate dialogue and additional context more than anything.

The thing is, it's been like this since the beginning. The original ARR relic unlocked the HM primals, Chimera, and the Hydra, and you had to do ALL of them to get the relics, as well as run a bunch of other optional side content like HM dungeons. The relic quest and initial unlocks have been like this since the beginning, and hasn't changed in that aspect. You either accept this and do it anyway, or you do not and you never touch the relic. Those are the options here.

[ZavosEsperian]

The thing is, it's been like this since the beginning. The original ARR relic unlocked the HM primals, Chimera, and the Hydra, and you had to do ALL of them to get the relics, as well as run a bunch of other optional side content like HM dungeons. The relic quest and initial unlocks have been like this since the beginning, and hasn't changed in that aspect. You either accept this and do it anyway, or you do not and you never touch the relic. Those are the options here.

I think you misunderstand, Hydra and Chimera were unlocked as a consequence of doing the relic itself. There were no prerequisites to the ARR relic other than beating 2.0. Hard modes you could unlock prior to doing the relic, and while they are required, they were not needed before the actual relic started unless you wanted them or had ilvl issues trying to complete the other hard modes. The issue deals with prerequisites, not doing other pieces of content for the relic after the relic has been opened up.

[RyuDragnier]

I think you misunderstand, Hydra and Chimera were unlocked as a consequence of doing the relic itself. There were no prerequisites to the ARR relic other than beating 2.0. Hard modes you could unlock prior to doing the relic, and while they are required, they were not needed before the actual relic started unless you wanted them or had ilvl issues trying to complete the other hard modes. The issue deals with prerequisites, not doing other pieces of content for the relic after the relic has been opened up.

Actually, back in ARR (meaning when it was current content) you could only unlock those Hard Modes for the primals if you started the grind for the relic. They were not optional, they could only be unlocked by the relic questline.

[ZavosEsperian]

Actually, back in ARR (meaning when it was current content) you could only unlock those Hard Modes for the primals if you started the grind for the relic. They were not optional, they could only be unlocked by the relic questline.

The unlock quest for the hard modes back in the ARR era was A Recurring Problem. This has never changed since 2.0. I have been around since September 2013 but never posted on the forums until earlier this year as i have never seen the need to. You absolutely needed to compete the Hard Modes to unlock The Binding Coil of Bahamut but they were never gated by relic.

[RyuDragnier]

The unlock quest for the hard modes back in the ARR era was A Recurring Problem. This has never changed since 2.0. I have been around since September 2013 but never posted on the forums until earlier this year as i have never seen the need to. You absolutely needed to compete the Hard Modes to unlock The Binding Coil of Bahamut but they were never gated by relic.

Ahh, been so long that I forgot about that. Thanks for the correction.

[ZavosEsperian]

Ahh, been so long that I forgot about that. Thanks for the correction.

No worries, the only reason I recall that was because I did Garuda HM back then and grinded for the SCH book only to realize afterward that a relic existed and it was a better weapon overall...I was not exactly happy over the waste of time when I realized I could've been doing working towards Omnilex instead and only needing that fight once.