Rewritten MSQ - Garlemald and EW

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

A Karen is an entitled white woman, not someone taking it upon themselves to write some fanfiction because they were unsatisfied.

Wouldn't that be the definition of entitled, tho, thinking you could write a better story ?

LMAOOO UNEDUCATED let me guess, next you're gonna tell me that I need to read Nietzsche or some shit to ~understand the themes~ of this shounen anime-level slice of life story. I like how you pretend that you've been some sort of keyboard warrior in defense of Endwalker with your superior wit and intellect, when the most I've seen you do is FAFO trying to provoke people in the criticism megathread.

Here's the catch : I never said y'all were stupid. I said you weren't equipped and are uneducated, meaning you don't have the experience to understand why people like Endwalker. I never said it was brilliant storywriting, but it's decent enough, and it speaks about mental health, has grey characters all around, and that's more than what you'd ask of the average MMORPG. No need to read about Nietzsche or anyone, you just need empathy, but then again, Karens don't have any.

I'm not provoking anyone, just reacting accordingly, but if that makes you feel better, sure, have me as the bad guy in your next fantasy...

[Knot_D]

I'm not provoking anyone, just reacting accordingly, but if that makes you feel better, sure, have me as the bad guy in your next fantasy...

If you are defending Venat in this forum, they will begin to attack you in every direction and keep explaining why Venat bad Emet good. It's useless to discuss EW lore in this forum...

[whitemoonflower]

If you are defending Venat in this forum, they will begin to attack you in every direction and keep explaining why Venat bad Emet good. It's useless to discuss EW lore in this forum...

How do you figure? Some of us were genuinely interested in OP's writing and simply shared our perspectives. Do I find the concept presented for Venat interesting to consider? Sure. Do I harbor any remote desire to "attack" those who prefer how she was written in EW? Not even slightly. No need for blanket accusations, all the more when there's your own attack that read rather unpleasantly:

Ew, stop putting my mom into a villains there!

What a "respectful" response to someone creatively expressing their ideas instead of simply agreeing to disagree and politely going on your way.

[Knot_D]

No need for blanket accusations, all the more when there's your own attack that read rather unpleasantly:



What a "respectful" response to someone creatively expressing their ideas instead of simply agreeing to disagree and politely going on your way.

How thin your skin is if you took that as "unpleasantly" response to OP's writing. But again, another proof to avoid "lore people".

[whitemoonflower]

How thin your skin is if you took that as "unpleasantly" response to OP's writing. But again, another proof to avoid "lore people".

I wouldn’t call it pleasant. But you’ve gone from, “Everyone here will attack you if you defend Venat,” to “Everyone who discusses lore should be avoided.” From extreme to extreme. A differing opinion doesn’t immediately equate to “attacking” someone. Venat is a character. Regardless of how we perceive how she was written/rewritten, we can still be respectful about it.

[IkaraGreydancer]

I wouldn’t call it pleasant. But you’ve gone from, “Everyone here will attack you if you defend Venat,” to “Everyone who discusses lore should be avoided.” From extreme to extreme. A differing opinion doesn’t immediately equate to “attacking” someone. Venat is a character. Regardless of how we perceive how she was written/rewritten, we can still be respectful about it.

They may be extreme but they're grounded in things seen often here. Expressing you like aspects of the game that the loud folks here hate is a quick way to get you crapped on. Or folks will just call your standards low or accuse you of holding the game back. Respect on these forums only seems to come when you agree with folks about what they dislike.

Just saying...anhaato is a prime contender for what I'm talking about, yet you don't see anyone who shares his thoughts calling him out for being toxic and disrespectful. I can only think of one reason why.

[TaleraRistain]

They may be extreme but they're grounded in things seen often here. Expressing you like aspects of the game that the loud folks here hate is a quick way to get you crapped on. Or folks will just call your standards low or accuse you of holding the game back. Respect on these forums only seems to come when you agree with folks about what they dislike.

Just saying...anhaato is a prime contender for what I'm talking about, yet you don't see anyone who shares his thoughts calling him out for being toxic and disrespectful. I can only think of one reason why.

This is basically it. It's not a matter of "I disliked X or Y and here is my reasoning" and keeping it centered around themselves. It's "I don't like this and YOU shouldn't either and you're low or base or uncultured or don't care about the game if you don't feel the same". That's not debating in good faith. That's just trying to ram your personal opinion down other people's throats.

[anhaato]

They may be extreme but they're grounded in things seen often here. Expressing you like aspects of the game that the loud folks here hate is a quick way to get you crapped on. Or folks will just call your standards low or accuse you of holding the game back. Respect on these forums only seems to come when you agree with folks about what they dislike.

Just saying...anhaato is a prime contender for what I'm talking about, yet you don't see anyone who shares his thoughts calling him out for being toxic and disrespectful. I can only think of one reason why.

Oh I didn't even realize you namedropped me here, I just immediately scroll past your posts as soon as I see your icon. My response is; get out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat. Don't talk shit if you don't want the smoke. Joking ways of saying this aside, you cannot seriously expect to be treated with respect after you display a clear lack thereof in my direction from the jump. Or, let me guess, it's only ok for the superior story enjoyers to act in such a way to the inferior story haters?

[anhaato]

LMAO poor oppressed Venat stans. Make a Reddit account if you want your pro-Venat echo chamber that badly.

Wouldn't that be the definition of entitled, tho, thinking you could write a better story ?

"This isn't my taste, I would've preferred if they did this." "Omg Karen!!!"

Here's the catch : I never said y'all were stupid. I said you weren't equipped and are uneducated, meaning you don't have the experience to understand why people like Endwalker. I never said it was brilliant storywriting, but it's decent enough, and it speaks about mental health, has grey characters all around, and that's more than what you'd ask of the average MMORPG. No need to read about Nietzsche or anyone, you just need empathy, but then again, Karens don't have any.

I didn't say you called us stupid. If you look back, you'll not see the word "stupid" appear in my post. I said you're putting yourself on a high horse by calling us uneducated and talking about how we're "unequipped" to handle the story (as if its power of friendship tropey-ness is anything groundbreaking), thus positing yourself as superior. And here we go with the thinly veiled sociopathy accusations. I have empathy for the ancients who Venat genocided, what does that make me?

I'm not provoking anyone, just reacting accordingly, but if that makes you feel better, sure, have me as the bad guy in your next fantasy...

Only three catches ? I'm disappointed.

This you?