VIERA AND HROTHGAR COMPLAINT MEGATHREAD

[Adamantini]

This is something I always wanted to happen. Someone once made the example of them "scanning" the area with their ears while using the /lookout emote. That would be neat! But for that to work, they would have to adjust every emote for each ear type separately. They are pretty different from each other. Sometimes I wish they would have just gone with one ear type, and made that one customizable. For example being able to give them fuzzy/fluffy ends, damaged parts or spots, and stuff like that. I think headgear would have been also much easier to adjust.

That would be the different ear types for Viera, which funnily enough limits them even more!

If you have the link for this, I would love to see it. Whenever I make an emote, I wonder what it would be like if SE still had some love for this game.

As for the helmets, It wouldn't necessarily need to make one for each ear. It would be enough for them to model the helmets, so that they fit all ears, which is possible, as we have examples in the community of how to do it.

What I've heard is that the ears of female vieras really weren't made for that, which makes the helmets need to be shaped just for them, and sometimes they need a total redesign. This is not the case with male Vieras, as some sacred soul thought of this when developing them.

My solution to this would be to give each active player a fantasia, and redesign the female viera's ears same as the male ones, so they would only need to design a helmet for the race, not a separate helmet for female and one for male.

But designing separate helms for viera female, male, and hrothgar is not the end of the world either. A single person could already do this job. I wouldn't need to release all helmets at once, I would be happy with some helmets being released per patch.

[XiRon]

If you have the link for this, I would love to see it. Whenever I make an emote, I wonder what it would be like if SE still had some love for this game.

As for the helmets, It wouldn't necessarily need to make one for each ear. It would be enough for them to model the helmets, so that they fit all ears, which is possible, as we have examples in the community of how to do it.

What I've heard is that the ears of female vieras really weren't made for that, which makes the helmets need to be shaped just for them, and sometimes they need a total redesign. This is not the case with male Vieras, as some sacred soul thought of this when developing them.

My solution to this would be to give each active player a fantasia, and redesign the female viera's ears same as the male ones, so they would only need to design a helmet for the race, not a separate helmet for female and one for male.

But designing separate helms for viera female, male, and hrothgar is not the end of the world either. A single person could already do this job. I wouldn't need to release all helmets at once, I would be happy with some helmets being released per patch.

boy I just want the neoishgardian hats, paid mogstation hats and lv1 all glams to work lmao.
Hell BD3 doesnt even need to do the work. All hats have been made wearable with earholes for viera by 1 (UNO!) college student.
Im praying every night they realize hrothgar and viera would actually love love love to have a gearslot work for them and the h/v hat mod is added to the game.
Like they cant not know we want hats everytime the post on twitter about new events half the comments are h/v players saying "wow thanks!" with a picture of their Wol wearing the thing in the gearslot yet it doesnt show up.

[Adamantini]

boy I just want the neoishgardian hats, paid mogstation hats and lv1 all glams to work lmao.
Hell BD3 doesnt even need to do the work. All hats have been made wearable with earholes for viera by 1 (UNO!) college student.
Im praying every night they realize hrothgar and viera would actually love love love to have a gearslot work for them and the h/v hat mod is added to the game.
Like they cant not know we want hats everytime the post on twitter about new events half the comments are h/v players saying "wow thanks!" with a picture of their Wol wearing the thing in the gearslot yet it doesnt show up.

I believe I know who you're talking about. I follow this person on twitter, and that's how I opened my eyes to see how a liar SE is, about saying that making helmets for hrothgar and viera is impossible. I won't mention that person's name here, so as not to get him in trouble.

Every day I see a post from SE on twitter, I go out of my way to complain about the helmets.

[SturmChurro]

Like they cant not know we want hats everytime the post on twitter about new events half the comments are h/v players saying "wow thanks!" with a picture of their Wol wearing the thing in the gearslot yet it doesnt show up.

Yeah, and I'm sure people responding this way about the situation is what will make change. They told you all what you were getting into with these races. If people want to know why Yoshida might have responded the way he did in regards to the hrothgar hair, maybe this is part of the reason why.

I'm not going to say I haven't myself reacted in a similar fashion, but at least I know it probably won't accomplish anything, even if it feels good to vent on occasion.

[Kazhar]

Yeah, and I'm sure people responding this way about the situation is what will make change. They told you all what you were getting into with these races .If people want to know why Yoshida might have responded the way he did in regards to the hrothgar hair, maybe this is part of the reason why.

I highly doubt players being condescending or obnoxious has anything to do with their decision making process or else Male Viera wouldn't exist.

If anything, it showed everyone the correct way to get noticed by the dev team: being as loud and irrational as possible. People trolling about Yoshi-P's BLM biais got him to write a lodestone post in a day, and that wasn't because of constructive criticism.

[SturmChurro]

I highly doubt players being condescending or obnoxious has anything to do with their decision making process or else Male Viera wouldn't exist.

People might as well keep going about it that way then?

[Kazhar]

Might as well keep going about it that way then?

If the only alternative is being treated like third rate players, yes, without a second thought.

[SturmChurro]

If the only alternative is being treated like third rate players, yes, without a second thought.

Let's look at this differently. Male viera adds value to this game, hrothgar hair or hats does not. Male viera is popular in Japan, hrothgar is not. It was great marketing for Endwalker, hrothgar was one and done during ShB, and let's be honest, people were more excited about viera. Supporting male viera is a lot more plausible than going back on a previous statement and convoluted design just to make a hairs or hats. Male viera don't even get hats for that matter either. Getting no hats is a known quantity, and is probably the only reason it was plausible for them to have added these races in the first place.

[Kazhar]

Let's look at this differently. Male viera adds value to this game, hrothgar hair or hats does not.

On what grounds? ANY character creation option adds value to the game. Hrothgar has one of the worst case of sameface syndrome out of any race in the game, and being locked to two hairstyles is a big reason for that. Who are you to tell that is doesn't matter? Because of an arbitrary threshold of popularity?

[SturmChurro]

On what grounds? ANY character creation option adds value to the game. Hrothgar has one of the worst case of sameface syndrome out of any race in the game, and being locked to two hairstyles is a big reason for that. Who are you to tell that is doesn't matter? Because of an arbitrary threshold of popularity?

Yes, because things cost time and resources. Having no headgear or hats is part of the reason it was plausible for these races to be added in the first place, I'm pretty sure they even said so themselves. Would people rather not have hrothgar then? Hrothgar's unique heads are the tradeoff. I suppose they could always extend the patch schedule another month or two so these races could get hats. I don't know how the rest of the playerbase would feel about that however. I do think they should make it more known in-game, warning players prior to playing them, but this was known prior to the release of hrothgar, before ShB.