Housing Revision opinion

[ameliaw]

Seriously, many of you need to mind their own businesses.
I'll never understand why people feel anything against solo FCs. Even if all of them disappeared, you'd still not get your house. Lmao

[DeNada]

I don't really have an issue with anyone who might want to form a solo FC for all his alt characters to be in if he/she is dissatisfied with the social FC they have been with.

What I take issue with is players who take advantage of the loopholes to amass multiple FC houses simply because of greed. If there's any changes to restrict FC ownership of plots, it's those players that should be targeted first and foremost so as to nip the issue in the bud and prevent it from ballooning out of control.

[Devlyn]

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Wow, you are angry, or jaded ... or both. Have a cup of tea and take a deep breath, kiddo. You take a lot of liberties in your summation of my intent both current and future. None of which have any basis in reality. You have neither the position nor authority to define what does or does not make a "company". I own, operate and hold an LLC in real life ... as owner and sole employee. Am I not .. a company? No where in my post did I infer nor insinuate that my ownership and operation of an FC house was for "personal gain". I get that you're a veteran player and have probably seen everything there is to see in this game, but I'll thank you not to apply your blanket cynicism and presuppositions on to me. Not once in my post did I say that I didn't want to grow my FC ... and you saying so is just flat out false. Nor did I say anything about a "party house" ... that's another assumption. What I stated was "public RP venues". I'm sorry if that was a misnomer and confused you, but as I stated, I've been playing less than a year; I'm not hip to all the lingo you kids are using these days, but I assure you, I've zero interest in any sort of nightclub/disco type setting. If you actually want to know my plans, approach the subject with a medium of civility rather than half-assed assumptions and less than thought out contrivances.

As to my intent for ... literally anything I do in this game .. well ... that's just none of your damn business, honestly. So long as I play within the rules set forth, you've absolutely no position from which to argue. As for my "personal gain" from running an FC house ... you are once again being disingenuous since I made it rather clear in my post that it wasn't by design. You seem to think that I've some sort of nefarious, clandestine goal in mind to .. what .. make myself rich? Your naivety is refreshing. You and I both know how laughably easy it is to make money, and I was well on my way to cap long before the notion of an FC house crossed my mind. So, sorry to disappoint, but in my case, an FC house has done exactly what the dev team intended housing to do ... eat gil.

I'm honestly unsure where your hostility is coming from, superstar. But, I assure you, it's misguided. At the end of the day, you and I are on the same team here. I want to see the housing system improved as much as anyone. I want everyone to have a plot of land and find it mind numbingly short sighted of the dev team to NOT see that housing would be coveted a long time ago and take the appropriate steps to mitigate it. But perhaps before we go cutting people off at the knees (I promise that's not a Lalafell joke), we all put our collective noodles in the same bowl and come up with some well constructed ideas that the devs actually take seriously instead of lambasting each other with half cocked scenarios that will ultimately only serve to fracture the community further and alienate a wide portion of the player base.

[Hustensaft]

If we make up arbitrary dumb rules...

... Housing lottery should go by FC and character age, not by RNG! That way the most senior players will be rewarded for their loyalty. To make it better, older FCs and charachters should be able to evict people if they ever wanted a plot.

[Arazehl]

I'm honestly unsure where your hostility is coming from, superstar. But, I assure you, it's misguided. At the end of the day, you and I are on the same team here. I want to see the housing system improved as much as anyone. I want everyone to have a plot of land and find it mind numbingly short sighted of the dev team to NOT see that housing would be coveted a long time ago and take the appropriate steps to mitigate it. But perhaps before we go cutting people off at the knees (I promise that's not a Lalafell joke), we all put our collective noodles in the same bowl and come up with some well constructed ideas that the devs actually take seriously instead of lambasting each other with half cocked scenarios that will ultimately only serve to fracture the community further and alienate a wide portion of the player base.

You mistaken hostility for being passionate toward an idea and garnering an opinion base what you made public by posting. Just because currently there is very limited restrictions and guidelines in place regarding what makes a Free Company and the responsibility of maintaining one, it shouldn't ever make owning a shell FC the new norm. It goes against the grain and as it stands now it's pushing out real FCs who work extra hard to give back to it's members.

With shell FCs there is tons wrong with it and it grows month after month, year after year. SE needs to suck it up and fix things with housing in more ways than one. Besides what are you afraid of? That you'll lose your FC play things, because you're not really an FC anymore? You could be with a little effort. If there were tighter restrictions and I had an FC like you describe in your post, I would probably lash out against the idea too, but thing is I don't. I have a real honest to goodness FC and that FC doesn't belong to me but to my members. So I'm not going to excuse myself to you for being passionate towards things I hold dear in this game or when I see things that are somewhat off kilter.

[Thaciscokidd]

I'll never understand why people feel anything against solo FCs. Even if all of them disappeared, you'd still not get your house. Lmao

IIRC FCs and People relocating use to have priority in getting houses. You could be camping a placard and a FC swoops in and take your spot. Or even worse you could get you could get someone from that certain FC discord that would troll relocate to reset the timer on the placard and do this multiple times for the luls.

[UkcsAlias]

If we make up arbitrary dumb rules...

... Housing lottery should go by FC and character age, not by RNG! That way the most senior players will be rewarded for their loyalty. To make it better, older FCs and charachters should be able to evict people if they ever wanted a plot.

Great... the mostly inactive FC of a 7y old account has 400 members of which at most 20 are active players, which are barely having any interaction, gets the advantage.
In the meantime, a recent player from a year ago which has a fresh fc with a lot of active members (basicly carried over the WoW group) would be denied because of that.

RNG is better.

At most some modifiers for activity could work (lets say the total number of members that was online during the past month gives a bonus ticket count up to 10 tickets max). This makes shell FCs a lot less likely to win. And actualy prioritizes active FCs regardless of account age.

[Johners]

If we make up arbitrary dumb rules...

... Housing lottery should go by FC and character age, not by RNG! That way the most senior players will be rewarded for their loyalty. To make it better, older FCs and charachters should be able to evict people if they ever wanted a plot.

This has to be one of the dumbest takes I've ever seen. The entire concept of just catering to whoever played the longest is just dumb because honestly, especially legacy players, they have the worst takes. Nobody cares that you've played since 1.0 or ARR, get over it. Square Enix don't owe ARR players a house over someone that got one from the raffle but started in ShB.

[Devlyn]

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I don't believe it was I that made any such mistake. You can dress your sanctimony up in all the pretty bows you want, but hostility is hostility. There are better, and more effective ways to convey one's passion for a given cause. I would venture to believe that I'm just as passionate about rectifying the housing issue as anyone, and will always openly advocate for its fair availability to all players. However, I'm not going to do so at the cost of invalidating another player's effort. I don't delude myself to think myself or my situation to be better than anyone else, which you seem to have no trouble with. And you didn't make opinions about what I posted ... you made assumptions. Subtle though it may be, there is a difference. The fact of the matter is, you're conflating two entirely separate issues when it comes to housing. Personal FCs are NOT the problem you think they are. They're a side effect of a larger issue that you either seem to be willfully ignorant of addressing or simply ignore in lieu of making ad hoc attacks at anyone that doesn't have a "real honest to goodness FC."

That's an awfully tall horse you've got there, chief. How's the air up there? Spare me your incredulity.

And let's just be totally clear here, I'm not lashing out at the idea of FC "restrictions" nor am I afraid of anything regarding it. Because when push comes to shove, you know as well as I do that it's a non-starter; even if you can't admit it to yourself. It will never happen. Ever. Like .. ever ever. This is not the hill you want to die on when it comes to housing. So how about instead of taking pot shots at people and attempting to devalue the work they may have put in, you use that big ol' brain of yours to come up with some ideas for actual solutions that aren't simply a veiled attempt to let everyone know you have such an awesome FC while trying to appear somehow seemingly insightful into the mysterious inner workings of housing in this game? I'll wait.

What I will lash out against is this notion that simply because a lot of people chose to not be a part of a large FC, they should be excluded from access to the opportunity FC housing provides for the members they DO have. Just because we're few in number, doesn't make us any less valid.

[Reinha]

as it stands now it's pushing out real FCs who work extra hard to give back to it's members.

The number of FCs is not capped so solo FCs don't take anything away from larger FCs. There is even plenty of housing for both kinds of FCs.

Creating a FC only to circumvent the FC/Personal ward restriction might not technically be cheating, but still not the way it is intended to work.

It's literally the way it's intended to work. The same player character can buy and own both a personal house and a free company house. Two houses. FC houses are not an alternative to personal housing, they are an addition to it. One that is available to everyone with no extra Gil cost or botting required.