Housing Revision opinion

[Arzalis]

Housing demolition shouldn't even exist. It flies in the face of the what the director of the game supposed wants by telling people it's okay to take breaks. At the moment, that has gigantic asterisk beside it that reads: "You will lose your house if you actually take a break from the game."

Suggesting to make that more common just because you want something you won't get anyway is not a real solution. They could demo the house of every FC in the game and you still likely won't win the next lottery. There will also never be enough wards to meet player demand as they are currently designed.

Focus your ire on SE for not bothering to design a new system for the last seven years. That's how long this has been a problem and they've done nothing to meaningfully address it.

[NekoMataMata]

Should be more like 75-25 for Personal to FC housing.

Also second point should be tweaked. It's not a bad idea to prevent solo FC housing actually but maybe something more along the lines of FC housing requiring that a FC have 10 people to bid.

While I am against housing demolition I don't really see any other way to keep these things in check though, soooo every few months to every 6 months the game needs to check to make sure that the FC has 10 people or else it's demolished.

This should be generous enough for say if a FC has some drama and has a mass leave or something. Just make sure that there's no public timer displayed for the checks to ensure that you don't have solo FCs that recruit 9 friends prior to a check.

[TaleraRistain]

While I am against housing demolition I don't really see any other way to keep these things in check though, soooo every few months to every 6 months the game needs to check to make sure that the FC has 10 people or else it's demolished.

This should be generous enough for say if a FC has some drama and has a mass leave or something. Just make sure that there's no public timer displayed for the checks to ensure that you don't have solo FCs that recruit 9 friends prior to a check.

By the Twelve, I thought the first suggestion was bad but this takes the cake. So because an FC slips under (or always was under) an arbitrary number that you think is a "real" FC, not only should they lose any work they put into that FC house but not even get any sort of warning about it like everyone with housing currently does. Just log on one day and it's all gone!

Turn your ire at SE for causing an issue with demand. Stop suggesting these ridiculous requirements to take away things others worked hard on.

[Stormpeaks]

Should be more like 75-25 for Personal to FC housing.

Also second point should be tweaked. It's not a bad idea to prevent solo FC housing actually but maybe something more along the lines of FC housing requiring that a FC have 10 people to bid.

While I am against housing demolition I don't really see any other way to keep these things in check though, soooo every few months to every 6 months the game needs to check to make sure that the FC has 10 people or else it's demolished.

This should be generous enough for say if a FC has some drama and has a mass leave or something. Just make sure that there's no public timer displayed for the checks to ensure that you don't have solo FCs that recruit 9 friends prior to a check.

Here's another idea, we dont do that and we add new wards instead.

Crazy I know

[NekoMataMata]

By the Twelve, I thought the first suggestion was bad but this takes the cake. So because an FC slips under (or always was under) an arbitrary number that you think is a "real" FC, not only should they lose any work they put into that FC house but not even get any sort of warning about it like everyone with housing currently does. Just log on one day and it's all gone!

Turn your ire at SE for causing an issue with demand. Stop suggesting these ridiculous requirements to take away things others worked hard on.

Here's another idea, we dont do that and we add new wards instead.

Crazy I know

The thing is, even if we fix demand, there should still be a difference between FC wards and personal wards.

Other games do it with insanely strict restrictions such as having to have 5 players enter the group house every week or else they get locked out.

But I get it, I really do. Your greed knows no boundaries and you would absolutely LOVE to have a FC plot to go along with the other personal plots you hoard, wouldn't you?

[TaleraRistain]

But I get it, I really do. Your greed knows no boundaries and you would absolutely LOVE to have a FC plot to go along with the other personal plots you hoard, wouldn't you?

I've had an FC and FC plot for six years. What have you been doing the past six years in the game?

[Arzalis]

The thing is, even if we fix demand, there should still be a difference between FC wards and personal wards.

Other games do it with insanely strict restrictions such as having to have 5 players enter the group house every week or else they get locked out.

But I get it, I really do. Your greed knows no boundaries and you would absolutely LOVE to have a FC plot to go along with the other personal plots you hoard, wouldn't you?

Not everyone who disagrees with you is out to hoard houses or something. It's genuinely just a terrible idea.

You're focusing on players when the blame is ultimately on SE for not prioritizing any semblance of a fix for housing scarcity.

You could demo every single FC house with less than x people (pick a number idc), every grandfathered house, etc. and it still wouldn't remotely be enough. The current housing system is fundamentally broken for an MMO that operates at the size FFXIV does. The blame for that lies solely at SE's feet for A) Not designing a system that scales meaningfully and B) Failing to address that issue when it became blatantly obvious it's not sufficient years ago.

[NekoMataMata]

Not everyone who disagrees with you is out to hoard houses or something. It's genuinely just a terrible idea.

You're focusing on players when the blame is ultimately on SE for not prioritizing any semblance of a fix for housing scarcity.

You could demo every single FC house with less than x people (pick a number idc), every grandfathered house, etc. and it still wouldn't remotely be enough. The current housing system is fundamentally broken for an MMO that operates at the size FFXIV does. The blame for that lies solely at SE's feet for A) Not designing a system that scales meaningfully and B) Failing to address that issue when it became blatantly obvious it's not sufficient years ago.

The issue here is that you're thinking that I'm doing this to make more houses for the public, when it's not true.

I support more wards and concepts such as instanced housing and I absolutely place the blame for people's current greed at the feet of SE for the artificial scarcity.

I just also believe in restricting FC houses in this way. Assuming the scarcity issue is fixed, I still fail to see why a solo FC or a FC with less than 5 people should hold a FC house. I don't see how anything good can come of people manipulating the system for any reason.

[Boldprint]

housing in this game is broken, its always been broken and they will never do anything to fix it ever, it was advertised as personnel housing and make so limited it effed over everyone who wasn't a effin bot. I have been trying to get a house for 8 effin years.
A few years back they added housing it was all bought up before i could even log in. i quite for year because of it because house the housing immediately went up on the party finder for sale for triple the effin price. what do they do the next time they come out with housing? they said only people who already owned a house to move or was in a fc could buy it, so hundreds of players made fake FC's just to buy up the market and started effins selling those fc's!!!!!!!! now they block 90% of personnel housing and come out with this stupid effin lottery system, while changing the rules but leaving every effin thing still effed up. PEOPLE STILL OWN ENTIRE EFFIN WARDS! are you people effin stupid? there are hundreds of housing in Empyreum, effin hundreds. get your heads out of your arses and fix this effin crap.

the only way to fix this crap system yall designed would be to have unlimited wards, every time one fills up another is created, or do that 50/50 crap, but cant do it with 25 wards. you need like 50-100 for fc and 50-100 player base, you also need to remove the grandfather crap, because trying to fic a broken system but leaving 90% of the old broken system still in place does nothing but piss off 90% of the effin player base!!!!! total idiots when it comes to housing.

[Caitlinzulu]

Stop arguing to take away a house from people who did nothing wrong whatsoever at the time they bought.
I would really like so see numbers about how many plots are grandfathered in. I bet its less then you think