Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[Rulakir]

Agreed on that exact wording, though perhaps not to the details – in my case, I regard the undermining to be trying that they invented this new narrative of why she caused the Sundering that doesn't line up with anything before it, and cast her in a new and unflattering light in the process.

Justifying the sundering being intentional let alone with knowledge of the future was always going to be a hard sell. I'm frankly shocked they managed to pull it off in any capacity and it's mostly because people like an earlier poster fully bought into the premise that the Ancients were headed towards mass extinction anyway and she somehow did them a favor by genociding them before they could.

I've said before that I never got the impression Hydaelyn was 'good' in the first place. I didn't know quite what she was before ShB, but I figured she had ulterior motives and was using the WoL which is ultimately how it turned out even if they tried to frame it differently. It's weird because she ended up being worse than I thought she'd be, but the characters and narrative bend over backwards to portray her as the opposite. (I thought the sundering would be an unintended consequence of defeating Zodiark.)

I was reading through translations of the DE cutscenes and some of it was interesting. One of them is the Watcher saying: "Hydaelyn too is the product of the hopes and wishes of those who created her, so only the future matters to her. Not the past." It makes it sound like the conflict was ideological and I know Brinne has written thoughtful pieces here on Venat being an ideologue. This is more the direction I thought EW would go with Venat essentially being the Emet/Elidibus of 6.0. Unfortunately, we ended up with the 'othering' of the Ancients and excuses being made for a character that is essentially an amalgamation of other antagonists.

[KizuyaKatogami]

You seem to be misremembering. You tend to do that a lot. New game plus exist ya know.

Care to explain how i’m misremembering when that’s exactly what happened? And that’s exactly what she says during the word of the mother cutscenes and is explicitly stated in the other languages as well? Don’t try to accuse anyone of misremembering when you don’t have the elementary grade spelling skills to spell Gridania correctly.

[thegreatonemal]

Care to explain how i’m misremembering when that’s exactly what happened? And that’s exactly what she says during the word of the mother cutscenes and is explicitly stated in the other languages as well? Don’t try to accuse anyone of misremembering when you don’t have the elementary grade spelling skills to spell Gridania correctly.

Scroll up, somebody already beat me to the punch on that one. How did you miss it before you typed this? Ah right, your selective reading.

You've been on that misspelled thing for days. Does it bother you that much? Or is it because you don't have anything of meaning to say and instead of just saying "My bad I read/ misremembered" You're ego, pride, insecurity whatever is your little issue won't allow it.

Couldn't be me, but you do you.

[LalafellDown]

I just clicked whatever choice to get me to finish the quest already.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Scroll up, somebody already beat me to the punch on that one. How did you miss it before you typed this? Ah right, your selective reading.

You've been on that misspelled thing for days. Does it bother you that much? Or is it because you don't have anything of meaning to say and instead of just saying "My bad I read/ misremembered" You're ego, pride, insecurity whatever is your little issue won't allow it.

Couldn't be me, but you do you.

I saw it, but that persons post was their own theories, nothing set in stone. They gave exact dialogue which matches what i said. Yeah i keep bringing up the spelling thing because its hilarious to me. You act high and mighty yet dont even have the proper spelling skills of an elementary kid. Its "your" by the way again. Don't worry though go back to school and im sure you'll get it.

[SannaR]

Care to explain how i’m misremembering when that’s exactly what happened? And that’s exactly what she says during the word of the mother cutscenes and is explicitly stated in the other languages as well? Don’t try to accuse anyone of misremembering when you don’t have the elementary grade spelling skills to spell Gridania correctly.

Yet there was no what or any blue swirling and then bam she's Hydelean's mouth piece. Nor any oh crap I'm just floating aimlessly around the Aetherial Sea I'm going to die if I don't get mean mom Hydelean to possess me and to never speak as myself forever more. Also what part of my post do you see as theory? The part where I come up with plausible ideas of what Hydelean could have told Minfillia? Cause then sure. Anyway about that word of the mother scene.

Right before we get teleported into the Aetherial Sea we get "Hear.. Feel... Think"
Then we get Hydelean speaking through Minfilia while she hides behind the Crystal most likely who says "Through time and space hast thou journeyed unto to me... as I knew thou wouldst." Then we get shown Minfilia who now speaks more so as Minfilia as the following doesn't quite work if it's Hydelean speaking. "We are the Word of the Mother. We who were once called "Minfilia." Much time hath passed for thee, since the bloody banquet. Since... since I hearkened to Her word. Mother... Hydelean guided me... towards Y'shtola and Thancred, that I might be swept up in their Flow... and be delivered unto the aetherial sea... There, adrift and alone, Her voice silent once more, I prayed... For those we have lost. For those we can yet save. To Her I would make an offering..."

Again why would Minfilia who we've seen to be fairly devoted to Hydelean and one of the few others Hydelean seemed to talk to as often as she did up to that point with the WoL not decide to do what she ended up doing? You know one out of two people who knew who the WoL was before the memory block was lifted as we were fleeing a still exploding Praetorium via poor Maggie while carrying an unconscious Thancred on the back part.

[thegreatonemal]

I saw it, but that persons post was their own theories, nothing set in stone. They gave exact dialogue which matches what i said. Yeah i keep bringing up the spelling thing because its hilarious to me. You act high and mighty yet dont even have the proper spelling skills of an elementary kid. Its "your" by the way again. Don't worry though go back to school and im sure you'll get it.

You clearly didn't, as the person has written here for you to read(you won't read all of it) hope the second time sticks(I doubt it).

[SentioftheHoukai]

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Yeah, uh. Frankly the Omega quests just made the Endwalker dilemma worse for me. Like the Q&A and many things Endwalker, it felt like a lazy attempt to patch up holes and grievances Yoshi and the Gang didn't see coming with half the effort it deserved. Frankly, the fact that it ended with more FORGE AHEAD propaganda just sealed the deal for me. At this point, if the Twelve are revealed to be yet more constructs of Hydaelyn then frankly I'm throwing my hands up in... you guessed it, despair. Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.

Almost a million people kill themselves every single year, to say nothing of the countless millions more that suffer from persistent depression or conditions which will never improve, and philosophies about the inherent lack of meaning in existence go back thousands of years. To characterize the idea of not finding value in life as nothing more than a passing phase of teenage angst is frankly just ignorant.

Hard agree. As someone who struggles on the daily with chronic depression (ironically made worse by Endwalker, shoddy performance. Exuent, I say! Exuent!) for someone to be so tone-deaf, dismissive and ignorant as to call my rather serious mental issue naught more than.... ah yes, TEENAGE ANGST is honestly rather sickening.

Wasn't Yoshi actually asked about that artwork recently though and basically said that "it meant nothing" and has no connection or bearing on EW's story? If that was the case, then whatever reasoning that may have been behind back then has since been retconned anyway (yet another one I guess).

Wouldn't be the first time Yoshi and the Gang have been hit in the ass by unpleasant hindsight and instead of being forced to acknowledge it, they brush it off and ignore it. Or worse, attempt to justify it. Well, let's be real. We all know they trust the fandom to do that job for them. Frankly, I don't suspect it'll be the last either. Judging by the Omega: Beyond the Rift quests, which were falsely advertised and ended up being more propaganda.... well, my wellspring of faith is positively famished right now.

[EaraGrace]

Wouldn't be the first time Yoshi and the Gang have been hit in the ass by unpleasant hindsight and instead of being forced to acknowledge it, they brush it off and ignore it. Or worse, attempt to justify it. Well, let's be real. We all know they trust the fandom to do that job for them. Frankly, I don't suspect it'll be the last either. Judging by the Omega: Beyond the Rift quests, which were falsely advertised and ended up being more propaganda.... well, my wellspring of faith is positively famished right now.

Full disclosure, I find it interesting that people assign lore dumps to be “propaganda,” implying there’s some unvarnished truth being suppressed or ignored by the biased writers. There’s certainly examples of propaganda being used by in game actors who the writers intend to be untrustworthy, but to accuse the writers themselves of it is a bit like hearing a prophecy from the Fates and going “no way nerds you’re just lying.“

[KageTokage]

I'm not really sure I'd call anything in the Omega quests "propaganda" personally, especially with how the Watcher states that while he's satisfied with how things resolved, you shouldn't consider your own thoughts on the matter to be without merit.

It felt more like they were trying to encourage viewing things from a broader perspective then a simple matter of right/wrong...though I can't say I felt as though the Endwalker MSQ proper really spun things that way.