Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[EaraGrace]

I wouldn't consider it to be a 'strawman'. Each and every single one of Venat's victories are built upon the demise of other people. The vast majority of them completely without consent at that. To say nothing of the artwork for the patch where Minfilia's fate was first revealed:



Furthermore, people are perfectly free to come to their own conclusions regardless particular characters - especially if their actions are controversial.

Yes, generally when two groups fight one group loses and that sucks for that group.

And I have a question. You yourself have argued that the Scions, the Sundered and just in general those who can be considered part of Hydaelyns group, haven’t suffered enough to justify their later victories in the story. So explain this to me, how is it possible that simultaneously Hydaelyns allies suffer so terribly due to her actions as to make siding with her unadvisable or even immoral, and that those in her group are apparently not “earning” their victories by virtue of their lack of suffering?

There’s a contradiction here I believe.

And always with that artwork. It’s literally the only thing you can use to argue that now.

Clearly not.

She literally burnt through her soul. How was she not lacking in aether. This is stated consistently since the end of ARR.

[Theodric]

Yes, generally when two groups fight one group loses and that sucks for that group.

And I have a question. You yourself have argued that the Scions, the Sundered and just in general those who can be considered part of Hydaelyns group, haven’t suffered enough to justify their later victories in the story. So explain this to me, how is it possible that simultaneously Hydaelyns allies suffer so terribly due to her actions as to make siding with her unadvisable or even immoral, and that those in her group are apparently not “earning” their victories by virtue of their lack of suffering?

There’s a contradiction here I believe.

I wouldn't consider it to be a contradiction, especially since I - and various other posters - have consistently asked for a balanced narrative rather than suffering for suffering's sake or conveniently having a situation where the antagonists stand to lose absolutely everything that they care about whilst the protagonists walk away with barely a scratch by comparison. I'm also not inclined to pay much heed to sophistry stemming from video game characters of all things, especially not those who preach about overcoming 'despair' whilst being exposed to very little of it in a direct capacity.

You're free to come to your own personal takes and conclusions, of course - just as myself and others are perfectly happy to do the same. Especially since there is no obligation for players to like or root for Venat or any other character for that matter.

[EaraGrace]

I wouldn't consider it to be a contradiction, especially since I - and various other posters - have consistently asked for a balanced narrative rather than suffering for suffering's sake or conveniently having a situation where the antagonists stand to lose absolutely everything that they care about whilst the protagonists walk away with barely a scratch by comparison. I'm also not inclined to pay much heed to sophistry stemming from video game characters of all things, especially not those who preach about overcoming 'despair' whilst being exposed to very little of it in a direct capacity.

You said

Each and every single one of Venat's victories are built upon the demise of other people.

In reference to the costs of victory for Hydaelyns ally’s, costs that include people losing loved ones and friends.

So are they suffering for sufferings sake or are they walking away with barely a scratch? Asking for a balanced narrative is fine, but I don’t think you can criticize a story for having characters sacrifice too much and not enough at the same times. Just feels like an odd criticism.