Who knew the 6.15 Omega Quests… (Spoilers)

[Theodric]

I was referring to the cost for the protagonists and sympathetic antagonists. There's nothing remotely sympathetic to me regarding Venat or her equally subversive allies. Unless, of course, she misled them and they unwittingly aided in the destruction of the Unsundered world...?

Either way, when I speak of balance I am referring to situations where the antagonists emerge with some loved one, goal or ideal intact instead of bizarrely losing absolutely everything. It's a dull and rather predictable trajectory that I don't care for. Certainly there's some here who do and they're free to do as much.

I also didn't get the impression that Venat cared all that much for any given individual beyond, perhaps, the player character. (Perfect for those 'Brave Little Spark' fantasies that some have, I suppose!) She had some vague supposed love for 'humanity itself' and a rather strange way of showcasing it.

[jameseoakes]

I also didn't get the impression that Venat cared all that much for any given individual beyond, perhaps, the player character. (Perfect for those 'Brave Little Spark' fantasies that some have, I suppose!) She had some vague supposed love for 'humanity itself' and a rather strange way of showcasing it.

I don't think she has any love of humanity as people only as a concept and only when it follows her ideology and has no interests in the people that don't live up to it and they are simply fonder

[Kozh]

Because it’s a complete strawman of Minfilia and Venats actions and the reasons behind it. Hydaelyn was nearly dry of aether and called out to a noted ally for aid who made clear time and time again she wanted to help. There’s nothing indicating that Minfilia wished to not be the Word of the Mother or that she was going to die if she didn’t say yes, and it’s made clear that her decision were her own. The game explicitly says she did so because she wished to.

Dry of aether lmao. What about the big crystal she hoards behind her? Or, idk, she seems fine when appearing in front of us in EW. Better yet, maybe try to prevent the flood of light by telling ardbert to not over do it?

As minfilia fan, I'll say "get fucked, venat". Wish she spend the rest of her time being in hell with hermes instead of deleting her soul.

[Theodric]

Admittedly I wasn't a fan of her, though I didn't hate Minfilia. I always thought it was pretty messed up what happened to her and the fact that her sacrifice was pushed as a necessary thing later on made me find the entire situation rather strange! Especially since we see her saying 'what? no!' at the time of her initial capture and the story criticises G'raha for wanting to sacrifice himself later on. Another cause of the the story being very picky and choosy in regards to what stance it wishes to take at any given time, I suppose...

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yeah, i actually liked Minfilia during ARR and seeing her in EW was one of the few times i actually felt somewhat emotional. Seeing her just wandering about aimlessly all alone just made me think how she was basically thrown away like a used puppet by Venat because she didnt want to get her own hands dirty....and i dont think she even comments on it.

[thegreatonemal]

Did you both just forget the parts where she willingly got caught up in flow and agreed to become the word of the mother? Did you both both forget that she willingly let her soul be consumed by Ryne's. Of course you both forgot the part about Venat bringing her soul back to the Source so she can be reincarnated there. Slipped your minds.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Did you both just forget the parts where she willingly got caught up in flow and agreed to become the word of the mother? Did you both both forget that she willingly let her soul be consumed by Ryne's. Of course you both forgot the part about Venat bringing her soul back to the Source so she can be reincarnated there. Slipped your minds.

You mean the part where she goes "What?!No!!!" and then a swirl of blue comes out and all of a suddens shes following Hydaelyn's command....or how she said after she was in the sea she felt the need to melt into hydaelyn or who knows what could happen to her....yeah totally willingly.

[SannaR]

Had to go and watch said CS cause I was going what "what?" If we're only speaking about the parting glass Cs it goes as follows:

"Hydelean... She speaks to me
(audible gasp) No!
I must remain behind... but you cannot stay with me.
Please, you must go on! You are the Warrior of Light! You are hope - for the Scions, and for all the realm!
As long as your flame continues to burn, the light of the dawn may ever be relit!
You must escape, and save Eorzea from those who would plunge it into darkness!
'Tis the only way..."

We don't know what it is that she's been told. For all we know Hydelean could have told her that she's weakened and needs her help. Or that the only way to make sure things are a success that Minfillia needs to make a sacrifice similar to what the others have already gone and done. We don't know at that time what that is. Just that she then runs off to go and do so. Only when we reach the bottom of the Anti-tower do we find out what happened. Minfillia could have chosen not to get swept up into Y'Shtola's flow despite what Hydelean said to her. Yet we all know how much faith Minfillia had in Hydelean so why would she not do as asked?

[AwesomeJr44]

Hydaelyn was nearly dry of aether and called out to a noted ally for aid who made clear time and time again she wanted to help.

Hydaelyn in Lore:


Hydaelyn in Reality:


(Hydaelyn unironically stole Palpatine's playbook)

Did you both just forget the parts where she willingly got caught up in flow and agreed to become the word of the mother? Did you both both forget that she willingly let her soul be consumed by Ryne's. Of course you both forgot the part about Venat bringing her soul back to the Source so she can be reincarnated there. Slipped your minds.

Gonna respond to you just cause I know it'll make you mad Oatmeal

[thegreatonemal]

You mean the part where she goes "What?!No!!!" and then a swirl of blue comes out and all of a suddens shes following Hydaelyn's command....or how she said after she was in the sea she felt the need to melt into hydaelyn or who knows what could happen to her....yeah totally willingly.

You seem to be misremembering. You tend to do that a lot. New game plus exist ya know.