6.2 Hrothgar Update

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Seriously? I don't think people are understanding my intent right now - other than Vahlnir. I was being sarcastic and joking around. It's why I used emojis. I fully acknowledge that past quote, but what I am saying is Yoshida has seemingly forgotten or outright said the complete opposite this year. If you really want me to search through the big hrothgar thread to pull up newer quotes of him where he said he said they weren't going to receive any hair previously, or the discussions around that original quote being a supposed "mistranslation" I will.

The only thing I was saying was that they were clearly not intended to be updated upon their creation, regardless of what was said back then. They were in their 'complete' state, and that's why they could design them the way they did. Yoshida might have said they would receive hair, but their design, and original intent clearly doesn't line up with that statement, in my opinion. I have remained firm for years, that hrothgar are "finished" - to SE. Them being in "beta" implies that they considered them unfinished.

So are you going to, after being asked to...or are you just gonna keep saying that you will do it, and never do it?
Like, I dont think thats real at all, so I would love to see proof of that.
Because, that makes no sense at all to release Hrothgar in the state that its in, and deam them "Finished" with only 1 Gender Option, and the lack of options; the inability to wear most headgerar, the lack of hair options, and then say Dont worry the Hrothgar will see updates.

The Outrage for these things shouldn't be a surprise to anybody, Devs, playerbase, onlookers etc.
It makes more sense to say they had to cut corners with the Creation of Hrothgar, because they said They just barley got both The Viera and the Hrothgar done at the same time. But I dont believe for a second they would just call it good and think everybody would be happy and have Zero plans of making fixes and making needed additions tot he Hrothgar.
If it was mistranslated that there were plans for these New Hairs (which there IS proof of new hairs in the making), and there is proof that No New Hairs were coming, Id love to see it.

[SturmChurro]

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The thing is I completely agree that they are in a bad state, and the comment about him saying he said they wouldn't receive any hair, when he clearly said they were during ShB is really.. odd. Especially when there are official quotes all over the place, saying they would get hairs. You can find quotes of me from when that was said, confused, trying to figure out when and where he supposedly said they weren't getting hairstyles. I played viera, on their launch, and have switched back and forth to viera for the past few years hoping for our supposed hair update. We all trusted that quote by Yoshida. Obviously, hrothgar have it worse, but it's not like I am not also bitter about it. When they do update these races, the quality is pretty much objectively bad across the board.

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Are you talking about the quote I'm talking about of him saying he said they weren't going to get hairstyles previously? I promise you there is a real quote. That hrothgar hair thread is HUGE(!), I suppose I didn't come prepared to "cite my sources" when I was making fun little replies, but I am telling you there is a quote of him saying that. The mistranslation thing I am not 100% sure if he said that, but I know people were talking about it quite a bit as well.

They literally said on release that it was the "last chance" for player races, and that they were to be 'gender locked'. Just because some people's definition of finished is both sexes, doesn't mean that is theirs.

[Midareyukki]

Seriously? I don't think people are understanding my intent right now - other than Vahlnir. I was being sarcastic and joking around. It's why I used emojis. I fully acknowledge that past quote, but what I am saying is Yoshida has seemingly forgotten or outright said the complete opposite this year. If you really want me to search through the big hrothgar thread to pull up newer quotes of him where he said he said they weren't going to receive any hair previously, or the discussions around that original quote being a supposed "mistranslation" I will.

I THINK I remember you posting that somewhere in the 80+ page thread, but I'm not gonna go through it a second time to find stuff to add to a thread xD
I did that on the Feedback one, I'm not doing it again. I had to go through every page, and reading it all again just made me angrier and angrier at the situation when my intent was to be courteous. /playdead

Also, Churro, even when people write /s in the threads, it's hard to really gauge it's sarcasm. Speaking from second-hand experience. I know it's dumb, but it's best to state it's sarcasm, just to be safe.

On that note~

The problem with that line of thinking is they clearly didn't. (...)
It also makes no sense. How could any developer just sit there and be like "Oh hey fans, we made a new race for our game! Also the new race can never do anything besides what you do at Character Creation, isn't that neat!" and expect fans to just be fine with that?

He's right. I think I told you this before, Churro, but even if Yoshida did say that, fan outcry has changed so much in the game. We did ask for some features and they've since acquiesced. We were led to believe that the races would be updated eventually if they had support. Which they have. A lot.

And even if they did. Past tense. They've since turned their back on that stance. But just because they did, it doesn't mean it's okay to drop low-effort and poor-quality content. As in, "okay sure, we know you didn't want to do this... but you CHOSE to do it now. So why are WE being punished? Why is this poorly done? If you decided to do this, then do it to the end, don't half-ass it."

TBH I think Churro knows this. Nor am I questioning the validity of their claim; it is still an interesting thing to wonder "what if SE really did say, in the past, that they wouldn't?". It's just that I also see a lot of people claim "You knew what you were getting into" without taking into account how the game has progressed thus far. It's easy to say "Oh they said X in a vaccum", but we don't play nor live in a vaccum.

EDIT: Oh .__. this has evolved while I was writing. MAN I'm slow

[SturmChurro]

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A lot of my posts are literally just hyperbole or sarcasm. Maybe I just assume that people can pick it out easier. Especially when I have been an ardent complainer of hrothgar/viera since their launch.. Then again, I have fantasiad so much that my avatar is only recognizable when I am playing my Au Ra. Luckily, I have already gotten past the angry stage. I still hope they fix the races, but I have serious doubts they ever will. I still post in support of them fixing them regardless - Yes, I prefer the word "fix" or "update" in regards to the hrothgar/viera situation, rather than "finish" (explained many times).

The thing is hrothgar didn't really make their voices heard until, briefly, they were noticed during the hairstyle fiasco. Now they are back to seemingly being ignored. Male viera supporters were MUCH more vocal, and relentless, for their inclusion. Now, granted, male viera aren't really niche like hrothgar are. On top of that male viera, I'm pretty sure, are quite popular in Japan. Hrothgar are neither very popular in the west or east, as far as I am aware. Quite a bit less popular in Japan, if I recall. On top of that, while there may be, now, a quite vocal backlash from hrothgar players, obviously not much has come of it. For that matter, a lot of people I remember saying they unsubbed or were unsubbing are still subbed. Thing is though, even if many hrothgar players did unsub, I think Yoshida probably sees it as negligible considering the population and play habits.

I do constantly advocate, on these forums, for quality changes to the game. It's crazy to think that SE saw these hairs, and thought it was alright to just release it like this, but, frankly, quality seems to be going down across the board.