Thread: 6.2 Hrothgar Update

Originally Posted by Kazhar

They probably won't do this. The amount of character creation options seems to be limited to a fixed number. Probably to prevent the character packets from getting too large. And AFAIK they never increased the size, not even for the new races.

So they will probably say that if we want a hunch toggle, they'd have to remove another option. Or add that option for everyone.

I really hope they fix this as part of future proofing the game.

Once the female Hrothgar are in I will happily accept no more races if it means fixing character creation and getting more customization options across the board.

Originally Posted by Kazhar

They probably won't do this. The amount of character creation options seems to be limited to a fixed number. Probably to prevent the character packets from getting too large. And AFAIK they never increased the size, not even for the new races.

So they will probably say that if we want a hunch toggle, they'd have to remove another option. Or add that option for everyone.

An even easier option would be to add a non-hunch stance via changepose, for idle. For years races had unique idle stances. Giving Hrothguys the option to just, you know, stand up straight while not in battle would take the absolute minimum amount of effort, compared to recoding every single emote. And it's something they could add in by patch 6.2 or 6.3, not the 7.X series.

Re, the missing ears: I'm usually pretty charitable toward the dev team but even I think that was insulting. Just tweak the frigging hair rigging for that one race if you can't get the ears to play right.

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

That's because it most likely would have been too much work for them to want to convert even the shared hair styles properly. If I remember right, that's even what he said. It's why they amputated hrothgar ears. Though, as people say, in doing so, they might have made more work for themselves in the process. As for the choices of hairs, there has got to be some sort of logic to their choices, right?

Then they should let ears clip like every damn thing in the game already does. My feet clip thru unlevel surfaces, Runar hair clips thru 80% of chestpieces bc of stupid collars.

The CORRECT reason they chose 5 crappy hairstyles is because they already did it for viera. Why did they force hrothgar to be left out an extra four months when this was their decision? Hell if I know.

The sole good hairstyle hrothgar got, Snow, was a fluke because they had to consider whether a precious viera might ever fantasia and gosh it would sure suck for them to lose a hairstyle they paid mogstation bucks for.

A more cynical (but, based on their lame "its so hard" excuse, also correct) reading is they decided terrible options because they KNEW the community would hate them amd this would give them a perfect excuse to trod out the now-just-glue old horse of "hrothgar hard pls understamd" and thereby not have to work on them again until 3 minutes before 7.1 drops in 2ish years. Expect both viera genders to get the next 6.2 hair but hrothgar to get jack.

Originally Posted by reivaxe

Every hairstyle that the Male Viera were released with was time and money and resources that coulda went towards making unique female Viera hair ... I find it acceptable, personally. Every race would want more unique new hair, ultimately, but quantity is more important and no one wants to be left out of new content rewards. No problem with people feeling the other way, but I do warn against pie-in-the-sky outlooks. "Would I be willing to wait an entire expac to get just ONE hairstyle?" is the way I think it should be addressed, seeing as they were willing to make Viera/ Hrothgar wait over an entire expac to get ANY new hair options.

As someone whose wanted to play female Hrothgar since the reveal of Hrothgar, and is 100% gonna play them provided SE gives them an appealing design, I'd 100% prefer shared hair and I can only hope that they were designed with shared hair in mind.

Yeah I totally agree people asking for unique crap at the cost of ingame rewards everyone else can use is wildly stupid. I want the crap I earn in game, much less pay for on the shop, to work for my race. I do not want another whole expansion of seeing everyone get new stuff to enjoy and then they be like "Well for 7.0 hrothgar get 1 (UNO) new mane...with a braid on the LEFT this time" like no thats appalling. Also a constant complaint and part of the reason hrothgar and viera wanted hair updates is everyone looking the same and 1 hair per expansion is absolutely not combat that.

I want the 6.2(x) hair to work for hrothgar. I want every new hair hereon out to work for hrothgar. If it can be earned it should be usable by every race and "hrothgar hard unique headshape ubuuuu" is not an acceptable excuse. And I really wish people would stop asking for unique stuff they had ALL of shb to live up to "unique hairstyles" promised to viera and hrothgar and failed colossally just let me us my Modern Aesthetes like every other race.

"No expense spared" Boy I sure hope so Yoshi.

Originally Posted by XiRon

And I really wish people would stop asking for unique stuff.

Im not gonna stop asking for Unique stuff. Its a want that may not happen, but hey, we got Bluemage, and we got Viera from asking. So its possible, if we dont stop.
If they are gonna live and die on the excuse "hrothgar hard unique headshape ubuuuu" then I advocate they put in the effort to make some Hair for the Hrothgar.
Cant use the old hair, then make some new hair. Hrothgar barely got anything for how long, take some time to actually give us something.

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Even if they made them not look like hulking monstrosities, they'd still be pretty niche, let's be honest. I seriously doubt that race counterpart will be worth the consequences towards customization options, gear, etc. for everyone else. Male hrothgar will probably end up being the ones who suffer the most for female hrothgar inclusion, for that matter. Again, I don't think they should have released male viera either, yet. The only way it would be worthwhile is them miraculously making it easier to fit gear, add customization options, hair, etc.. by then.

I don't think au ra are comparable to female hrothgar either. Unless you think they are going to literally just do miqo'te 2.0 where femhroth are more human than bestial.

People don't GAF about Female Hrothgar because they assume they know what they will look like and don't want "that", even though we have a number of cases of sexual dimorphism in this game's races. As someone who loves character design and art, I can personally see a lot of ways for them to be appealing. Even the Finalized art for the queen as well as the Bozja Mural show a more kemono styled face and I'm sure more people would want to play that than the dudes. It doesn't have to be a matter of "Humanized vs animal", it can be a matter of style. Lopp-Moon buns def don't look "human", but they also clearly don't look like realistic rabbits. The simple fact that they decided to make shared hair work on the dudes leads me to believe that they went in a direction of "Design the females with shared hair in mind".

But like I said, the time for worrying about the drawbacks is long gone. Blame the MV stans, they're legit the only reason we're getting both.

Originally Posted by SturmChurro

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Ehh, There's a gradient to how popular something can be expected to be. Highlander tall, updated, full on Miqote (Anime girl face and all) with fur patterns and full head support? Would legit be one of the top played things in the game. On the other end ... these buff af beefed out "Dudes with boobs" I see in the fan art? SE might as well set that money on fire.

I guess I should establish what I consider "Popular", right? Looking at the numbers, any female as popular as Middie Females. So about 52k players. Using that as a base, there's only 3 unpopular female types in the game (Highlander/ Elezen/ Femroe in that order, with Femroe waaaay down there. You can add all 3 up together, and they're still not as popular as Middie females).

The secret to female characters is that, beyond all the concepts and such, people really just want fun dress-up dolls. People aren't getting tired of any niche (I'm sure a race that looks like our lil blue bird child would be hella popular, just like a doggy Miqote race or Mouse ear Lalas) nor is making everything smoll the only way to make something popular. Viera Females are nothing if not a full-blown hit popularity wise, and literally every female from Femroe to Miqote took a numbers drop from converts when they came out for this reason. Could they be MORE popular if they were shorter? Sure, I guess. They could also be more popular if they could wear headgear, 60k+ are great numbers regardless.

Anyway, never been one for the thought of "If it's not first, it's last". Sure, realistically the chances of them making them in a way that would make them one off the top played females are not high ... but I still know there are many ways to make them decently more popular than those 3 female races or Male Hrothgar or even Middies, so I'd never wave the white flag on em, gotta wait to see wtf they look like first. Hell, I know Male Hrothgar would be more popular if they weren't wide af and stood up straight.

A full on furry femhroth just won't pull in the numbers something like a Khajiit in ESO would.

The thing about Khajiit is that ES basically suffers from the ol Western curse of having no/ a boring af artstyle, which FF14 doesn't suffer from. When I look at this, all I see is a realistic cat head on a reg human body. No style, no expressive features, just a reg real looking cat head. The bare basics of "furry race with a not jank body". I know too much about furry artstyles to think that if that can get a strong fandom then more interesting styles can't. Like, after seeing that banging job they did with loporrit, I'm 100% sure that they can make a hella cute and appealing anime cat face if they wish.

Just wanted to show my support as a beyond EXHAUSTED/TIRED Hrothgar player. I think we should all make sure to tune in to the PLL on July 1st and make some noise on Twitch & YouTube. So much to the point that Yoshi-P cannot ignore it