Healers need an overhaul

[IDontPetLalas]

healers: "waaaah muh dps"

you are a healer. heal.

if you want a dps, play... a dps...? it's not that hard, this is how it used to be back in the old days, considered COMMON SENSE for healers to HEAL and not outdps the actual dps classes.

and what is the DPS excuse if the healer is out DPSing them? I'm honestly curious on how you'd explain that, because if they are being healed through unavoidable damage, and otherwise not failing mechanics, can you explain how a healer is going to out _DPS them?

Can you point to anyone asking in future being able to out-dps any DPS? No, you can't.

Can I point to "old games" where a healing class can actually be competitive with a DPS class or job, why yes I can provide examples, so can other people, and we have in other threads on these forums. So there goes your "old days" argument- not that we are in the "old days" anymore. Coming from someone who has definitely been playing since the "old days" I can change with the times and with the context of the game that I am currently playing, times change, as do player communities.

[Lilapop]

and what is the DPS excuse if the healer is out DPSing them? I'm honestly curious on how you'd explain that, because if they are being healed through unavoidable damage, and otherwise not failing mechanics, can you explain how a healer is going to out _DPS them?

Can you point to anyone asking in future being able to out-dps any DPS? No, you can't.

Can I point to "old games" where a healing class can actually be competitive with a DPS class or job, why yes I can provide examples, so can other people, and we have in other threads on these forums. So there goes your "old days" argument- not that we are in the "old days" anymore. Coming from someone who has definitely been playing since the "old days" I can change with the times and with the context of the game that I am currently playing, times change, as do player communities.

yeah, in a perfect world a healer being healed through any unavoidable damage, staying alive, optimally, almost... perfectly... playing their class shouldn't get out-dpsed by a healer. shouldn't. yet more often than not that can be the reality? it's not that rare or that unfound? as for change, all change isn't exactly good change. having healers focus on dps before healing just to be "contributing" isn't exactly positive change.

[IDontPetLalas]

yeah, in a perfect world a healer being healed through any unavoidable damage, staying alive, optimally, almost... perfectly... playing their class shouldn't get out-dpsed by a healer. shouldn't. yet more often than not that can be the reality? it's not that rare or that unfound? as for change, all change isn't exactly good change. having healers focus on dps before healing just to be "contributing" isn't exactly positive change.

I believe you mean "DPS" being out-DPSed by a healer, and aside from low-level levelling trash runs, where not all jobs have their skills- if you take 2 equally competent players and stack a BLM , a RPR or a SAM next to a SGE, or an AST for example are you seriously saying that the AST (for example ) is going to out-DPS those DPS?? Do you honestly think that it takes a "perfect" BLM to out DPS an AST because typically will fail to get healed now?

I do understand that change can be unsettling when it affects things that we like. However, it looks like you are concerned that people who play heals are incapable of making decisions, but can you explain that? I don't see why healers can't decide when to heal and when to DPS, they already make these decisions. They're already expected to contribute, just like any other job, if not they can be replaced - however that can't be harassed for that under the TOS.

[Lilapop]

I believe you mean "DPS" being out-DPSed by a healer, and aside from low-level levelling trash runs, where not all jobs have their skills- if you take 2 equally competent players and stack a BLM , a RPR or a SAM next to a SGE, or an AST for example are you seriously saying that the AST (for example ) is going to out-DPS those DPS?? Do you honestly think that it takes a "perfect" BLM to out DPS an AST because typically will fail to get healed now?

I do understand that change can be unsettling when it affects things that we like. However, it looks like you are concerned that people who play heals are incapable of making decisions, but can you explain that? I don't see why healers can't decide when to heal and when to DPS, they already make these decisions. They're already expected to contribute, just like any other job, if not they can be replaced - however that can't be harassed for that under the TOS.

well the issue is you're comparing two players of equal competence that know their class enough to be considered "good" at it. usually, there's always at least 1-2 per party (4man or 8man) that don't know their stuff. I'm saying that if you put a competent healer next to an incompetent sam/rpr/blm that the healer has out-dpsed the incompetent players before. which puts more of a "healer u Gotta focus on dps" thing before focusing on healing.

I feel like you're getting completely off track with my point. I'm not concerned with decision making ability of healer players. also can't help but notice that subtle implication that healing itself isn't contributing there. no one is saying anyone, no matter the class should be harassed, either?