Healers need an overhaul

[Rolder50]

Since when should content be wisely divided between "HL" and "so easy I can almost fall asleep"?

Even in the hardest content in the game, healers are still using 75% or so of their GCDs on Glare/Broil/etc spam, since there's nothing else to do and nothing to heal. I don't see why giving people more options to make that 75% of your playtime more fun is such a hot take around here.

[Merrigan]

Even in the hardest content in the game, healers are still using 75% or so of their GCDs on Glare/Broil/etc spam, since there's nothing else to do and nothing to heal. I don't see why giving people more options to make that 75% of your playtime more fun is such a hot take around here.

Yeah, I agree with that. Was just answering to the - cliché - argument that there is difficult content for people who want more difficulty IG.

[Lilapop]

really, you keep , as the saying goes, putting words into people's mouths - no one "wants to do big numbers without having to heal" you are stating this. It seems that you are threatened by healers being able to do decent DPS and heal - that is a "you" problem.

I was wondering how long it would take you to repeat this old trite fallacy. "If you want to play a DPS why don't you play one?". For shame, you were doing so well up to now. It was almost entertaining. Finally showing your true colours.

If you don't understand what I mean, I can explain it to you.

let's break it down so you can understand, then.

how many people want to play... a primarily dps class that can toss in heals when needed without bloat?

how many classes do we have that... are primarily dps classes that can toss in heals when needed without having bloat?

and after that,

how many people refuse to play the classes that contain... utility heals with solid dps rotations?

you see it yet, or do I need to simplify it a little more?

[IDontPetLalas]

let's break it down so you can understand, then.

how many people want to play... a primarily dps class that can toss in heals when needed without bloat?

how many classes do we have that... are primarily dps classes that can toss in heals when needed without having bloat?

and after that,

how many people refuse to play the classes that contain... utility heals with solid dps rotations?

you see it yet, or do I need to simplify it a little more?

Let me simplify this for you

1- Damage is scripted in this game
2- You cannot heal people over 100%
3- You cannot heal things to death

Ergo, given 1, 2 and 3 damage in this game is predictable, and all jobs DPS. They are all various flavours of DPS.

Your first question ? That's a healer. I could care less if you believe me, if you happen to view posts of logs and check the casts of DPS skills vs heals, without the job label or the DPS output, you would think that it was a DPS - and 'bloat" is going to be relative to each personal, but don't be silly, if you surveyed people, the chances of people responding "yes, I like bloat" would be low. So what?

Asking how many want to play that- don't ask me- do your own work and read the past forum posts, there is enough history to read. Ones that include metrics to back up what I've said.

Your questions aren't implying anything - it is your viewpoint that healers want to "do big numbers without having to heal" - that isn't want people have been expressing, and once again you won't provide evidence to back up your statements using examples or metrics. Just rhetorical questions to prolong your baseless claims.

[Selvokaz]

I'll say this, I've seen people recently die on Ultima Weapon during MSQ, the last time it happened, it was the healer and the other DPS. Me and the tank then carried for the clear, this was during one of my recent roulettes. If the content isn't hard enough for you where you feel you have to pay more attention and do what you can with 100% of you kit that's available at the content level your playing, play harder content. Because the skill level between you and those who aren't you is probably bigger than you think, again people including healers can and have died during ARR MSQ.

[Payotz]

I'll say this, I've seen people recently die on Ultima Weapon during MSQ, the last time it happened, it was the healer and the other DPS. Me and the tank then carried for the clear, this was during one of my recent roulettes. If the content isn't hard enough for you where you feel you have to pay more attention and do what you can with 100% of you kit that's available at the content level your playing, play harder content. Because the skill level between you and those who aren't you is probably bigger than you think, again people including healers can and have died during ARR MSQ.

And that's not really a valid reason to NOT HAVE extra dps buttons that are optional to press though.
If the healers are having hard time keeping up in MSQ of all places, then... don't press the extra dps buttons, and heal?

Extra dps buttons are never going to sabotage your ability to heal, only give you the ability to make use of the downtime after the heal.

If there's no downtime, then heal. Top everyone up if you need to.
But if there's no damage going out because we all know half the AoEs in this game are oneshots and can't be healed anyway, then rez and dps, or stand still, whatever floats your boat.

Give the healers who want to make use of that downtime, more tools to do so. Give them optional dps buttons.

[Nizzi]

"They should just add back some of the DPS buttons we used to have because all of the work is still in the game and it requires nothing from the developers other than some number tuning and giving them back. This would reduce the boredom of 1-1-1-1 spam and it isn't too much work for the developers, and it would allow for healers to pick the healer with the playstyle they like instead of having everything be the same."

"NO YOU JUST WANT TO BE A DPS, WHY DON'T YOU JUST PLAY A DPS, YOU'RE MEANT TO HEAL YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS BACK BECAUSE REASONS ACTUALLY GLARESPAM IS FUN"

[Merrigan]

This should be pinned to the op and printed out and taped on YoshiP’s office door.

The game should not be balanced around the least skilled.

Just... This. Thank you.

And to answer to those who are asking (... don't be impolite Merri) why we don't play dps : we're not asking to do huge numbers, dammit. We're asking to have a little more to do between each healing phase.

[Lilapop]

Since when should content be wisely divided between "HL" and "so easy I can almost fall asleep"?

it shouldn't be, and yet it is.

[MintnHoney]

it shouldn't be, and yet it is.

That's what we, in the business, would call: a "problem."