Stop Advertising Housing as a Feature

[Silverbane]

It should 100% not be advertised as a feature if it's going to be the crapshoot it currently is.

Like the OP, your dishonest rhetoric revolves around apartments not being housing.
They are housing, and anyone who wants one can easily get one.
Accordingly, SE can advertise housing.

Like the OP, your real complaint is that you can't get the prestigious hard-to-get house you want.
But that's nonsense: play it right and your odds of winning a house lottery are better than the odds of getting a rare mount drop from EW content. And when they turn auto-demolition back on, if you keep playing the lotteries, it is nearly certain you will eventually win. It's not even a big investment in time or gil: a few minutes a week, and you get your gil back if you don't win.

The problem seems to be that you, like the three-tries-and-I-quit OP, don't have the patience for this.
You want your prestigious house and you want it NOW.

Well too bad for you, that's not how this game works. This game gates prestige items, like the Resplendent tools and the Pteranodon mount, behind long grinds that take an enormous amount of time to do. If you aren't willing to do the grind, you don't deserve the prize.

And that's what houses are: prestige housing gated behind a potentially long grind.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Like the OP, your dishonest rhetoric revolves around apartments not being housing.
They are housing, and anyone who wants one can easily get one.
Accordingly, SE can advertise housing.

Like the OP, your real complaint is that you can't get the prestigious hard-to-get house you want.
But that's nonsense: play it right and your odds of winning a house lottery are better than the odds of getting a rare mount drop from EW content. And when they turn auto-demolition back on, if you keep playing the lotteries, it is nearly certain you will eventually win. It's not even a big investment in time or gil: a few minutes a week, and you get your gil back if you don't win.

The problem seems to be that you, like the three-tries-and-I-quit OP, don't have the patience for this.
You want your prestigious house and you want it NOW.

Well too bad for you, that's not how this game works. This game gates prestige items, like the Resplendent tools and the Pteranodon mount, behind long grinds that take an enormous amount of time to do. If you aren't willing to do the grind, you don't deserve the prize.

And that's what houses are: prestige housing gated behind a potentially long grind.

The screenshot from the official site literally shows a picture of a HOUSE not an apartment for their "housing" advert.

And we've gone over the severe lack of features available to apartments vs houses.

And why should housing be prestige content? Why the hell can't anyone get one if they invest enough time?

[Silverbane]

The screenshot from the official site literally shows a picture of a HOUSE not an apartment for their "housing" advert.

Are you saying that only that size and style of house shown in the picture counts as housing? Of course not. Only an idiot would think that the house shown in that picture was the only size and style of housing available.

we've gone over the severe lack of features available to apartments vs houses.

There's also a lack of features available to small house vs. larger ones, and of features available to personal houses vs. FC houses. That doesn't mean SE should make large houses with all the features of FC houses available to anyone who wants one.

And why should housing be prestige content?

Not all housing is, only houses.
Why is anything prestige content? Because even though it isn't necessary or even particularly advantageous to have it (e.g., prestige mounts), some people want it enough to work long and hard to get it?
Yep.

Why the hell can't anyone get one if they invest enough time?

Anyone can. It's been seven years since I first started playing this game, and I believe that under the present system, if I keep trying to obtain a medium personal lot for the next seven years, I'll get one. Especially after all the impatient people give up.

But that's not what you want, is it? You want anyone to be able get not just housing but a house whenever they want. Sorry, but that's not how prestige contents works in this game.

[Axxion]

Are you saying that only that size and style of house shown in the picture counts as housing? Of course not. Only an idiot would think that the house shown in that picture was the only size and style of housing available.


There's also a lack of features available to small house vs. larger ones, and of features available to personal houses vs. FC houses. That doesn't mean SE should make large houses with all the features of FC houses available to anyone who wants one.


Not all housing is, only houses.
Why is anything prestige content? Because even though it isn't necessary or even particularly advantageous to have it (e.g., prestige mounts), some people want it enough to work long and hard to get it?
Yep.


Anyone can. It's been seven years since I first started playing this game, and I believe that under the present system, if I keep trying to obtain a medium personal lot for the next seven years, I'll get one. Especially after all the impatient people give up.

But that's not what you want, is it? You want anyone to be able get not just housing but a house whenever they want. Sorry, but that's not how prestige contents works in this game.

being serious when i ask this. Are you really going to wait another 7 years to get a house in 14? With the current system it better than the previous but it could have been better. If they really wanted to, they can add instance housing in the game.

Keep in mind the following housing in this game is a commitment. As soon as you get your house you have to make sure you are in at least a few times in a 45 days time frame. Have to be sub. To top it off they can turn off the timer anytime when something major happens. And you can see how people get upset on both sides

[Silverbane]

being serious when i ask this. Are you really going to wait another 7 years to get a house in 14?

I probably won't have to.

Let's take as an example a plot with 300 entries into the lottery, and that at least one medium plot comes available each lottery (which may not be true, but just for this example). Let's say I place six bids each time, so I'll have one chance in 50 of winning.

The lottery happens every 9 days, and it's a Poisson process, so the expected time to me winning a plot under these conditions is 450 days: 15 months. Could be more, but could also be less.

The expected time invested, then, assuming that placing and retrieving six lottery entries take 15 minutes per lottery, is 13 hours total. I believe people grinding for ultra-rare mounts often spend more time that that doing it.

So odds are I'll get my housing plot way sooner than seven years, but as long as I am subscribed to the game, why not keep trying? It takes very little time, and costs me nothing until I win.

And as should be the case in any gambling one chooses to engage in, it'll be fun.

As to the commitment and demo timer, I've been through that already: both my spouse and I lost houses when we took a hiatus a few years ago. No big deal, and no tears were shed.

[Shibi]

...Why the hell can't anyone get one if they invest enough time?

But, they can. Absolutely.

How much time isn't known as RNG is the decider, but absolutely everyone has the same chance as everyone else on their chosen server to get one now. (Some servers are better than others, some guarantee immediate housing, some will be 7 years before you luck out)

[Necrotica]

But, they can. Absolutely.

How much time isn't known as RNG is the decider, but absolutely everyone has the same chance as everyone else on their chosen server to get one now. (Some servers are better than others, some guarantee immediate housing, some will be 7 years before you luck out)

God my desire to make personal attacks about intelligence is just spiking through the roof. But I won't. Cause bans.

No matter how much time a person puts in, getting a house is never guaranteed. You could spend a thousand thousand years trying to get a house and bad RNG will stop you.

That is not good game design. That is horrible game design. That is me hoping entire departments lose their jobs and never work in the game industry again bad game design.

You know what is good game design? Instanced housing.

[Shibi]

God my desire to make personal attacks about intelligence is just spiking through the roof. But I won't. Cause bans.

No matter how much time a person puts in, getting a house is never guaranteed. You could spend a thousand thousand years trying to get a house and bad RNG will stop you.

That is not good game design. That is horrible game design. That is me hoping entire departments lose their jobs and never work in the game industry again bad game design.

You know what is good game design? Instanced housing.

I know the feeling. So, I won't make them about you either hun.

We agree on instanced housing. We don't agree on the RNG though. The chances of losing on 40,500,000 rolls are as close to negligible as possible.

[Jojoya]

I know the feeling. So, I won't make them about you either hun.

We agree on instanced housing. We don't agree on the RNG though. The chances of losing on 40,500,000 rolls are as close to negligible as possible.

But no one is getting a chance to make 40,500,000 rolls.

They're getting at most 40 rolls a year under the lottery system and competing against dozens of players on each of those rolls (with the number they're competing against increasing as each available house is purchased).

It would be interesting to have someone who's good with statistical calculation share what are the chances of someone winning within 40 attempts if the initial roll is a 1 in 50 chance and the 40th roll a 1 in 500 chance.

[Avoidy]

Like the OP, your dishonest rhetoric revolves around apartments not being housing.

It's your rhetoric that's dishonest here, because you know full well that apartments have extreme limitations and that actual neighborhood housing is what's advertised and what's being discussed in this thread. Please stop shifting the focus to an alternative people have already discussed and ruled out. Like someone else pointed out, there's literally a picture of a neighborhood style home in the advert for the game, with the word "housing" over it, so obviously people are going to expect it to be a system anyone can take advantage of. You know. Like every other MMO with a housing system.

Are you being paid to make these facetious arguments? Because that's how it comes across.

But no one is getting a chance to make 40,500,000 rolls.

They're getting at most 40 rolls a year under the lottery system and competing against dozens of players on each of those rolls (with the number they're competing against increasing as each available house is purchased).

It would be interesting to have someone who's good with statistical calculation share what are the chances of someone winning within 40 attempts if the initial roll is a 1 in 50 chance and the 40th roll a 1 in 500 chance.

These kinds of "well tEchNicALLy you'll win eVenTuaLly" arguments really make it hard to engage with people here on good faith. I swear most of them just got a home and come here to troll; there's no way anyone can be serious with this kind of logic. Not even worth engaging with imo.