Stop Advertising Housing as a Feature

[Curisu]

Ultimates are broken and should not be advertised.
They are just to hard and many people will never be able to clear them.
Why do they advertise a thing that not everyone can easy obtain?


Housing is not broken and it works as intended.
It was first intended for FCs only but they extended it to the player.
The lottery system was broken but now is fixed.
Is it good? I don't know, i have a house. But I know that many player wanted a system like that for years.

[ForteNightshade]

There are apartments and FC rooms which provide access to most of the housing feature and even while not being an actual house, it's still housing. Anyone who really wants to decorate the actual house can do so through the mentioned social means. Just find a lonely house owner in the eternal bond thread and you get your house access for little bit of attention. There aren't enough houses for everyone, but through sharing anyone can access the whole feature if they really want to play with it.

... you cannot be seriously suggesting someone essentially find a sugar daddy/mommy just to have housing access? If that doesn't highlight how incredibly flawed the whole system is, I don't know what else will. As for Apartments and FC rooms. They're little more than band-aid fixes which low item counts. At the end of the day, housing is being advertised to the masses but not even half the playerbase can get one. Other games will far less the budget and backing of Square Enix have done significantly better. People really need to stop making excuses for a shoddy system that should have been overhauled years ago.

Ultimates are broken and should not be advertised.
They are just to hard and many people will never be able to clear them.
Why do they advertise a thing that not everyone can easy obtain?

This is a Strawman. Ultimate is advertised only to the high end raid community and offers precisely what's advertised: extremely challenging battle content. Meanwhile, housing is advertised towards the general community at large and treated as a major feature for everyone to partake in. A better comparison is only the first 1,000 players will receive an Ultimate Weapon upon clearing. Or we can have a lottery among those who have cleared and they each get a chance between the four current Ultimate weapons. You can only claim one and once you have one, you can't get the others. I'm certain that would go over well. Put simply if you took this broken system and applied it to literally any other piece of content: Savage, Ultimate, Tome gear, EX Mount and so forth—all now having a limited restriction on how many players can actually obtain them, the backlash would be immense.

The housing system entire design is what's broken. Supply is so far off demand they'll never come close to reaching it and every solution they've come up with has been one band-aid after another. Like I said above, games with far less the budget of Square Enix have done comically better.

[PintyMcEars]

cam you provided sources to these housing adverts? Never seen them. Also look up what a strawman argument is.

[Yodada]

cam you provided sources to these housing adverts? Never seen them. Also look up what a strawman argument is.

probably they mean this one:


Funny thing is in German the Housing Parts states following:

"Build your home with Friends or alone. You can also decorate your own room"

Seems that the German translation is more appropriate then the English one if Square advertises Appartments as Housing

[Shibi]

Funny thing is in German the Housing Parts states following:

"Build your home with Friends or alone. You can also decorate your own room"

Seems that the German translation is more appropriate then the English one if Square advertises Appartments as Housing

The Japanese is the same as the German there, mentioning decorating your room.

[Avoidy]

Ultimates are broken and should not be advertised.
They are just to hard and many people will never be able to clear them.
Why do they advertise a thing that not everyone can easy obtain?


Housing is not broken and it works as intended.
It was first intended for FCs only but they extended it to the player.
The lottery system was broken but now is fixed.
Is it good? I don't know, i have a house. But I know that many player wanted a system like that for years.

This is a flawed comparison, because with housing the scarcity actually makes it impossible for most people to have one, whereas with raiding the only limitation is your willingness to prog. There's not a hard lock on the number of people allowed to clear ultimate, but there is a hard lock on the number of homes left to purchase.
Actually, most of this thread's arguments against the OP are really poor ones. Which is no surprise. There's no adequate defense of this system. It should 100% not be advertised as a feature if it's going to be the crapshoot it currently is.

[Silverbane]

It should 100% not be advertised as a feature if it's going to be the crapshoot it currently is.

Like the OP, your dishonest rhetoric revolves around apartments not being housing.
They are housing, and anyone who wants one can easily get one.
Accordingly, SE can advertise housing.

Like the OP, your real complaint is that you can't get the prestigious hard-to-get house you want.
But that's nonsense: play it right and your odds of winning a house lottery are better than the odds of getting a rare mount drop from EW content. And when they turn auto-demolition back on, if you keep playing the lotteries, it is nearly certain you will eventually win. It's not even a big investment in time or gil: a few minutes a week, and you get your gil back if you don't win.

The problem seems to be that you, like the three-tries-and-I-quit OP, don't have the patience for this.
You want your prestigious house and you want it NOW.

Well too bad for you, that's not how this game works. This game gates prestige items, like the Resplendent tools and the Pteranodon mount, behind long grinds that take an enormous amount of time to do. If you aren't willing to do the grind, you don't deserve the prize.

And that's what houses are: prestige housing gated behind a potentially long grind.

[YukikoKurosawa]

Like the OP, your dishonest rhetoric revolves around apartments not being housing.
They are housing, and anyone who wants one can easily get one.
Accordingly, SE can advertise housing.

Like the OP, your real complaint is that you can't get the prestigious hard-to-get house you want.
But that's nonsense: play it right and your odds of winning a house lottery are better than the odds of getting a rare mount drop from EW content. And when they turn auto-demolition back on, if you keep playing the lotteries, it is nearly certain you will eventually win. It's not even a big investment in time or gil: a few minutes a week, and you get your gil back if you don't win.

The problem seems to be that you, like the three-tries-and-I-quit OP, don't have the patience for this.
You want your prestigious house and you want it NOW.

Well too bad for you, that's not how this game works. This game gates prestige items, like the Resplendent tools and the Pteranodon mount, behind long grinds that take an enormous amount of time to do. If you aren't willing to do the grind, you don't deserve the prize.

And that's what houses are: prestige housing gated behind a potentially long grind.

The screenshot from the official site literally shows a picture of a HOUSE not an apartment for their "housing" advert.

And we've gone over the severe lack of features available to apartments vs houses.

And why should housing be prestige content? Why the hell can't anyone get one if they invest enough time?

[Silverbane]

The screenshot from the official site literally shows a picture of a HOUSE not an apartment for their "housing" advert.

Are you saying that only that size and style of house shown in the picture counts as housing? Of course not. Only an idiot would think that the house shown in that picture was the only size and style of housing available.

we've gone over the severe lack of features available to apartments vs houses.

There's also a lack of features available to small house vs. larger ones, and of features available to personal houses vs. FC houses. That doesn't mean SE should make large houses with all the features of FC houses available to anyone who wants one.

And why should housing be prestige content?

Not all housing is, only houses.
Why is anything prestige content? Because even though it isn't necessary or even particularly advantageous to have it (e.g., prestige mounts), some people want it enough to work long and hard to get it?
Yep.

Why the hell can't anyone get one if they invest enough time?

Anyone can. It's been seven years since I first started playing this game, and I believe that under the present system, if I keep trying to obtain a medium personal lot for the next seven years, I'll get one. Especially after all the impatient people give up.

But that's not what you want, is it? You want anyone to be able get not just housing but a house whenever they want. Sorry, but that's not how prestige contents works in this game.

[Axxion]

Are you saying that only that size and style of house shown in the picture counts as housing? Of course not. Only an idiot would think that the house shown in that picture was the only size and style of housing available.


There's also a lack of features available to small house vs. larger ones, and of features available to personal houses vs. FC houses. That doesn't mean SE should make large houses with all the features of FC houses available to anyone who wants one.


Not all housing is, only houses.
Why is anything prestige content? Because even though it isn't necessary or even particularly advantageous to have it (e.g., prestige mounts), some people want it enough to work long and hard to get it?
Yep.


Anyone can. It's been seven years since I first started playing this game, and I believe that under the present system, if I keep trying to obtain a medium personal lot for the next seven years, I'll get one. Especially after all the impatient people give up.

But that's not what you want, is it? You want anyone to be able get not just housing but a house whenever they want. Sorry, but that's not how prestige contents works in this game.

being serious when i ask this. Are you really going to wait another 7 years to get a house in 14? With the current system it better than the previous but it could have been better. If they really wanted to, they can add instance housing in the game.

Keep in mind the following housing in this game is a commitment. As soon as you get your house you have to make sure you are in at least a few times in a 45 days time frame. Have to be sub. To top it off they can turn off the timer anytime when something major happens. And you can see how people get upset on both sides