"Everyone's so open and friendly" is a lie

[Solowing]

That's WoW. It was always amusing when their CSRs would reply "there's no rule against being a jerk" to Support forum posts.

Here there can be penalties for being a jerk depending on just what was done. Go give the Prohibited Activities policy a read.

But its not a jerk move to report somebody to report somebody, not for breaking ToS. But because they said something you didnt like?

Isnt that on the opposite end of the toxicity spectrum?


World of Warcraft: A-holes
FInal Fantasy 14: Snowflakes

WoW: Toxic Negativity
FF14: Toxic Positivity

[Kolsykol]

I dunno why people base views on entire communities on individual negative experiences.
No, not quite literally every single person in FFXIV is open and friendly but if you compare it to other games it's fairly commonly understood and accepted that FFXIV is more open and friendly.
There's a lot of unwritten rules like waiting for people to finish a cutscene that sorta hint at this too, yesterday night I had to rush to tomestone cap since I had neglected it last week and it was five in the morning and I dunno why but both in the Expert dungeons and the trial I did for the last cap had people in every party who were doing it for the first time and watched the cutscenes.
Five in the morning or not we still waited.
Do you think you'd see this in most other games?

FF14: Toxic Positivity

Have you seen the forum?
It's toxic negativity incarnate lol.

I don't think it's toxic at all to report someone who's blatantly being an asshole.
When you don't and you just accept it is when you get garbage MOBA and FPS game situations which are downright unplayable.

I play Mount and Blade too and I can't even login to a server without people having VERY heated arguments and '' debates '' about Jews, Muslims, black people ( usually referred to with the slur ), politics, weirdly racially charged history etc.
Every, single, time.
EVERY server.

Expecting a base level of respect and just decent behaviour from people isn't that much to ask for, I am not saying I am perfect and that you should get perma-banned for something really tame.
But I think reporting is fine and if it becomes a common occurance that the GM's keep seeing your name then perhaps there is an actual problem there that needs to be solved.

[Solowing]

I dunno why people base views on entire communities on individual negative experiences.
No, not quite literally every single person in FFXIV is open and friendly but if you compare it to other games it's fairly commonly understood and accepted that FFXIV is more open and friendly.
There's a lot of unwritten rules like waiting for people to finish a cutscene that sorta hint at this too, yesterday night I had to rush to tomestone cap since I had neglected it last week and it was five in the morning and I dunno why but both in the Expert dungeons and the trial I did for the last cap had people in every party who were doing it for the first time and watched the cutscenes.
Five in the morning or not we still waited.
Do you think you'd see this in most other games?





Have you seen the forum?
It's toxic negativity incarnate lol.

I don't think it's toxic at all to report someone who's blatantly being an asshole.
When you don't and you just accept it is when you get garbage MOBA and FPS game situations which are downright unplayable.

I play Mount and Blade too and I can't even login to a server without people having VERY heated arguments and '' debates '' about Jews, Muslims, black people ( usually referred to with the slur ), politics, weirdly racially charged history etc.
Every, single, time.
EVERY server.

Here the funny part, you praise the game and the community, oh yea people wanna jump on and agree! But when someone says they dont have the best experience, players will jump in to try to invalidate someones experience....So only my good encounters count at all?

We define toxic positivity as the excessive and ineffective overgeneralization of a happy, optimistic state across all situations. The process of toxic positivity results in the denial, minimization, and invalidation of the authentic human emotional experience.

"You experience cant be bad, because the community is good!"

[Midareyukki]

Here the funny part, you praise the game and the community, oh yea people wanna jump on and agree! But when someone says they dont have the best experience, players will jump in to try to invalidate someones experience....So only my good encounters count at all?

We define toxic positivity as the excessive and ineffective overgeneralization of a happy, optimistic state across all situations. The process of toxic positivity results in the denial, minimization, and invalidation of the authentic human emotional experience.

"You experience cant be bad, because the community is good!"

My experience for the most part has been pretty chill.

But what you said still rings true. Whenever I point out the in-game racism problem that I and my friends have experienced as both Hrothgar and Roegadyn, people bat their eyes and say "Not on MY pure Christian server!". And at one point someone asked if Zodiark or Light as a whole was racist. When not necessarily, people in other datacenters may also encounter crappy moments. I just saw them happen to friends and to myself at least three times, enough to say "Yeah, this sort of thing exists, and no one talks about it enough".

All I did was say my experience and that that sort of thing does happen both in-game and out. You hear comments from people about Lalafell being potatoes, Elezen being giraffes, Hyurs being plain, but that's mild in comparison to what I've seen people say about Roes and Hrothgar. And the moment I say this, people get incredibly defensive. As if their game wasn't populated by human people, just 11th Doctor levels of cute people.

Hell, the FFXIV Reddit is the worst example of this. You absolutely cannot mention the problems going around in the game without people actually raging at you and insulting you. Like "how dare you criticise the game!?". I know these forums are plagued with the exact same, but you'll find a mixed bag of both here. On the Reddit, it's almost sacrilege to do so.

FFXIV players are, in general, nice. They're still human beings capable of doing the dumbest things, but they're not League of Legends chat levels of bad. But the community isn't good. It presents itself as good like in those American suburb TV shows where there's that perfect family next door. But you know by watching the show they're full of BS. And that's exactly what the FF14 community is like.

[hagare]

But its not a jerk move to report somebody to report somebody, not for breaking ToS. But because they said something you didnt like?

Isnt that on the opposite end of the toxicity spectrum?


World of Warcraft: A-holes
FInal Fantasy 14: Snowflakes

WoW: Toxic Negativity
FF14: Toxic Positivity

oh yeah. I definitely see the problem here xD

[Solowing]

oh yeah. I definitely see the problem here xD

I dont really think you do.

Maybe, you should educate yourself on what happened, or you look uneducated making claims like that.

You can make back-handed insult, but the only jerk here is me for not putting a infront of it....


Ahh gotta love FFXiv community. There's no toxicity here, its totally not hidden under a veneer



Didnt know you can feel unsafe in the comfort/safety of your own home, with the anonymity of of the internet because somebody disagrees with you. That cant see, hear or know who you are.... And that enough to report somebody?

This game is toxic, but a different breed of toxic, that tries to hide it under the surface

[hagare]

I dont really think you do.

Maybe, you should educate yourself on what happened, or you look uneducated making claims like that.

You can make back-handed insult, but the only jerk here is me for not putting a infront of it....


Ahh gotta love FFXiv community. There's no toxicity here, its totally not hidden under a veneer



Didnt know you can feel unsafe in the comfort/safety of your own home, with the anonymity of of the internet because somebody disagrees with you. That cant see, hear or know who you are.... And that enough to report somebody?

This game is toxic, but a different breed of toxic, that tries to hide it under the surface

are you..... Are you refusing to leave someone's house after being asked to?

are you the one being talked about in this thread?
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ssment-In-Game

[Solowing]

are you..... Are you refusing to leave someone's house after being asked to?

are you the one being talked about in this thread?
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ssment-In-Game

Im going to be blunt, yes.

You feeling insulted doesn't mean im doing anything wrong. Rather then agreeing to disagree, you threaten me with a spurious report? Go ahead fill it out.

Not liking what somebody said that didnt attack someone, didnt insult anyone, or didn't target anyone. Not agreeing with someone isn't a reportable offense, but when people use their emotions and find anything that doesn't conform to their view as reportable because they see it as a personal attack.

[DRHaymaker]

You feeling insulted doesn't mean im doing anything wrong.

"Please leave."
"No." <---- This is the point of doing something wrong.

Hope I helped clear up the confusion.

[Solowing]

"Please leave."
"No." <---- This is the point of doing something wrong.

Hope I helped clear up the confusion.

Nah, i paid my subscription, and im not doing anything wrong.

Maybe, just maybe some people need to, tolerant of disagreements rather then threatening GM action when somebody says something that they dont agree with.

Im sure they were quaking fearing for their own safety while i sat there.

For myself, i would like the context for the cause to the conflict, not make up a reason and then move the report goal post, to something else. To me its like if the cops stopped you and patted you down but couldnt find anything, so they give you a non-compliance ticket just because they can shift it to that.