Pandæmonium story

[Kuroka]

^ This. There was never a fair test that Hermes gave them. The Ancients were missing crucial information that they'd need to 'pass the test'. And even if they did know that information, how did Hermes think they would be able to get to Meteion to stop her and thus survive? (I personally think they could do it if Venat told them everything, but Hermes' intention was for no one to know anything) The 'test' was rigged from the start. All of the measures Hermes takes to ensure 'fairness' made the 'test' less fair. How is anyone supposed to pass a test they don't even know they are taking? The solution of Zodiark was the only one they could possibly have come up with. If they're not aware of what's causing it, and thus cannot stop it, their best option is to protect themselves.

Then Venat gets upset that the Ancients didn't somehow telepathically read her mind and figure it all out, so she kills them all for being upset that they had their home robbed from them. Remember kids, suffering is a desirable thing! You should want to suffer! Why aren't you suffering hard enough!? Sundering for you!

Yes... I hate that moral of "you need to suffer"...


For them it was a problem with the flow of aether, so they found a solution.. they had no idea it was a cosmic event, nor that its triggered from one of their creations...

[ZeraSkiratea]

Yes... I hate that moral of "you need to suffer"...


For them it was a problem with the flow of aether, so they found a solution.. they had no idea it was a cosmic event, nor that its triggered from one of their creations...

the thing is that they never searched for an origin of the event, they stopped the symptom, and ignored the sickness. Even without knowledge about the origin, them not looking for it is what doomed them to fail the test.


If you write a test, and you didnt notice there was a second Page of the test....and that page has 80% of the Points for the test.. you didnt pass the test "to the best of your ability"


also to the whole "how is anyone meant to pass a test they dont even know they are taking" thats the whole point tho? noone is meant to know its a test to ensure its a fair situation, its the same situation as their creations are under, they dont know its a test to see fi they are "worth" living. In studies often times the Participant will be told they are researching X; when instead they are researching Y, as saying they are REsearching Y would inevetable change how the subjects react. Thats why you give some people in a medication study Placebo without telling them and so on.
Knowing about X changes how you act, making it a less "fair" situation in this specific instance.


I used school tests as examples earlier, which isnt a good example outside of the whole "they passed the test by not dying imidatly" angel.
What hermes does isnt a Math test etc, its a Scientific test, and having the Subjects be unaware of the(specific) test going on is something that is used





also NOONE, not even Venat, at ANY point disagreed that zodiark was necessery. Noone. The first sacrifice was in line with the test parameters. The second set is also "alright"(more questionable but still justifable from a "the star must survive" standpoint) the THIRD set is where it gets iffy. then Ascians where, understandably traumatised, but that dosnt mean one can not judge their actions in that state, instead of rebuilding their civilisation and planet with their own hands, they decide to offload it to a God, and throw a fuckton of Live at him to eat(once again, saying it was "plantlife" is disingenious, it had people disagree with the decision at least part of it had to be potentialy sapient) to return "to a world without suffering" a world that just never existed.



THATS the point of Venat, not "suffering is good" or "suffering is desirable", its "suffering is a part of life, to deny it is to deny living itself" venat dosnt say you cant work to aleviate suffering, to prevent major sufferings from happening, but to pretend like suffering never existed is delusional. even the "perfect worlds" Meteion shows us still sufferd, even if they believed or pretended they didnt, despite reaching "perfection"(showing that perfection is unreachable)




also THEY HEARD SOMETHING SINGING WHEN IT HAPPEND. that ALONE should warrant a big investigation after "death" wasnt a primary concern anymore.


and even ignoring that, failing to find out it was a cosmic event itself would warrant a failure in this test.


its not a test to see if they can survive the imidiate coming event. It was, specificaly a test to see if they are "worth to live". (for me)They failed when they decided to sacrifice more and more to return to a world that never existed the way they believed.




I believe that the test WAS fair in that regard, it dosnt mean the Ancients could have passed it(altough potentialy they could if they didnt give in and decided to return to a delusion instead of walking forward)
"fair test"=/="you have a chance of passing"
fair test just means that the test was free of outside influences and everyone had the same starting position within the test(except Meteion, who was basically the proctor of the test).




also while yes, the "tools" hydelin gave us where indesbensible to reach it WHEN we had to reach it, that however also dosnt take into account Fandaniel causing zodiark to die speeding up the whole shabang by probably a couple mileniums, and the Ascians meddeling with civilisation causing it to regress more and more.


Allag is a great example, founded by ascians, yes. They HOWEVER managed to achieve space flight, and managed to send a Artifical satelite into orbit , and keep it stable despite their civilisation being extinct for thousands of years. we dont know how much of the tech was "gifted" to them by the ascians, HOWEVER we still know that they managed to actually put it into use. Meaning that the people of Etherys are capable of building space worthy vessels, even before the Ragnarok



Summoing magic was also tainted by the Ascians, and its entirely possible that given time the people of etherys could have "reversed" the tempering parts of it, or otherwise controll the summons enough to not need the loporits to teach them.
The Aether could also be gatherd over long periods of time instead. OBVIOUSLY all of this is just thought experiments with little to no basis in anything

[Rulakir]

They never had a chance to search for the origin. They were trying to restore the star and return their loves ones. Maybe give them a minute to process having narrowly survived an extinction level event before deciding that they're hopeless and need to be sundered. Better yet, tell them what it is they need to do to adapt and overcome. Venat's message wasn't successful because it was a bad message. No one in the midst of trauma and grief wants to hear that they should just accept their suffering and move on, it's callous. Not to mention that would not have helped them confront and defeat Meteion anyway, in fact, the Omega quest chain basically debunks Venat's entire thought process in that regard.