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    Quote Originally Posted by redheadturk View Post
    I don't believe that comfort leads to destruction, nor that pain is necessary to feel joy. I think they would have gotten on just fine if Venat hadn't decided to take the agency of every single one of the Ancients and instead told them why the Final Days were happening so they could fix them.

    Edit to add: Before you bring up the Plenty, I again point out that what caused their destruction was not their level of comfort, but two other things. Their immortality, and their hive mind. I am not saying conflict is unnecessary, but conflict can be handled with negotiation and debate, which is how the Ancients dealt with such typically. The hive mind mostly, I feel. Without any way to have differences in order to have such debates, life gets boring. It isn't strife that adds flavor to life, or pain, it's the differences in mindsets.
    Ancient society may have survived the Final Days but mankinds destruction would have been written in stone down the line with their current trajectory. Yoshi-P / Ichigawa confirmed in interview that their society would have lead to something akin to the final location of The Dead Ends dungeon so you can't suddenly disregard that even if you feel it's not relevant. The way the amaurotines were heading, they would have by default, created something they couldn't unmake that leads to their own destruction or continually experiementing on every avenue of life till they had nothing left to question (cause they technically had the resources and time to do this)

    Technically the cycle of permenant life and death already existing on Etheirys post Hydaelyn sundering prevents them having enough time to unlock immoratalilty canon wise. Already took them generations to unlock a very basic one way time travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Ancient society may have survived the Final Days but mankinds destruction would have been written in stone down the line with their current trajectory. Yoshi-P / Ichigawa confirmed in interview that their society would have lead to something akin to the final location of The Dead Ends dungeon so you can't suddenly disregard that even if you feel it's not relevant. The way the amaurotines were heading, they would have by default, created something they couldn't unmake that leads to their own destruction or continually experiementing on every avenue of life till they had nothing left to question (cause they technically had the resources and time to do this)
    For all the focus the Plenty gets as a possible ending, it's strange to me that people forget that Venat has made it more likely that the other two "dead ends" could occur at some point in the future of Etheirys, even if the Plenty is less likely (or has been completely averted). Whether Etheirys dies to plague, bomb, or suicide monster--or something else entirely--Venat did not forestall the ending in and of itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tokinokanatae View Post
    For all the focus the Plenty gets as a possible ending, it's strange to me that people forget that Venat has made it more likely that the other two "dead ends" could occur at some point in the future of Etheirys, even if the Plenty is less likely (or has been completely averted). Whether Etheirys dies to plague, bomb, or suicide monster--or something else entirely--Venat did not forestall the ending in and of itself.
    Not to mention that once the Source goes, any remaining reflections will go as well. So when the end comes, and it certainly will as the Sundered absolutely love finding new ways of blowing each other up, it will truly be the end of everything.
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