So uh, wheres the long lasting content?

[Nizzi]

Also Nizzi (as I have no clue how to quote multiple posts in one), I don't think you're lying when you say healers you see don't dps. That's YOUR experience. I'm not gonna say you're playing a different game or that "you're on something" because your experience happens to be different than mine. Again personal jabs for literally no reason

Just for future reference the way I do it is by hitting the quote button, copying that into notepad or something and then grabbing the other thing I want to quote and putting the original quote into the text box. Not sure if that would work on mobile or if you use something that isn't a PC though.

And that's not my point, my point is that I've never seen anyone complain about it, because it literally doesn't matter in normal content. As a healer main, would I like it if random healers DPSed too? Yeah sure, but I don't really care what other people are doing. If reintroducing removed DPS actions would cause a mass pandemic of people harassing healers to use the 1-3 more DPS buttons they have, just... ban them for harassment? The rules are pretty clear that you can't force a playstyle on others or aggressively harass other players to do things a certain way. If it was such an issue in the past that it made the developers remove DPS buttons, why didn't they just ban the people who were harassing other players? It's just an argument that doesn't make sense, not doing something because it might cause someone to be an asshole or hurt someone else's feelings is a bit ridiculous, no? The community isn't going to break if SCH gets a DoT or two back and then new players forget to press them or don't. By the time healers get to content where they'll need to use these buttons to clear, its all done via PF anyways so they can curate their own experiences and then bash their head against the wall if they're vehemently against pressing a few more buttons in downtime - but that won't be why they're unable to get a clear.

On pulls, you can't blame healers for not casting nukes. it can be hard to weave those in depending on the situation. Some people are more nervous about that stuff than others. Some people just take the healer role literally and do just that. Bosses are another story and maybe they could be politely informed that it's okay to throw some nukes and DoTs on those. People barely ever talk about anything ever, so people just assume nothing is wrong with what they're doing. People need good, constructive feedback. (The devs are no different.)

The healer I had specifically in Vanaspati wasn't doing it in bosses either, but I genuinely don't mind. If I'm playing roulette content I literally just want to get in and get out so if you do a good job healing and we don't wipe I'm not going to even care other than just noticing because I play healers so much. There's just not a situation where this would cause some unseen amount of toxicity from the playerbase towards healers, if anything it'd be likely be more understandable for newer players to not bother or to not be able to keep it up. One of the biggest complaints I see from the types of people who rant about random players in duty finder content is "YOU HAVE 2 BUTTONS AND YOU CANT HIT THEM ITS SO EASY" but if you had like 4-5 buttons you could be hitting, then yeah just focus on the heals instead of focusing on that. A large amount of frustration towards 0 DPS healers comes from the fact that they have made it so braindead to DPS, and it creates the aforementioned pressure to use them because "it's so easy".

One of the things I said in a thread about how SE should add Miasma back to SCH is how distributing more of SCH's ST damage into the DoTs would actually help newer players because they would be contributing more damage if they needed to stop pressing Ruin/Broil etc in order to heal because they panicked or forget to use oGCDs, etc, etc. As it stands now something like 75-80% of a healer's total damage comes from their 1 Nuke, which makes it more evident when a healer isn't constantly pumping that. The current design is unfriendly towards healers who dip into GCD healing because it hurts so much of their damage by doing so, but if a baby SCH had his Miasma and Bio going, they're still ticking and they're not at as much of a loss as they currently are.

[ElizanderNorisse]

Likely August. Hopefully it’s a Garlean patch too.

[IkaraGreydancer]

And that's not my point, my point is that I've never seen anyone complain about it, because it literally doesn't matter in normal content. As a healer main, would I like it if random healers DPSed too? Yeah sure, but I don't really care what other people are doing. If reintroducing removed DPS actions would cause a mass pandemic of people harassing healers to use the 1-3 more DPS buttons they have, just... ban them for harassment? The rules are pretty clear that you can't force a playstyle on others or aggressively harass other players to do things a certain way. If it was such an issue in the past that it made the developers remove DPS buttons, why didn't they just ban the people who were harassing other players? It's just an argument that doesn't make sense, not doing something because it might cause someone to be an asshole or hurt someone else's feelings is a bit ridiculous, no? The community isn't going to break if SCH gets a DoT or two back and then new players forget to press them or don't.

The healer I had specifically in Vanaspati wasn't doing it in bosses either, but I genuinely don't mind. If I'm playing roulette content I literally just want to get in and get out so if you do a good job healing and we don't wipe I'm not going to even care other than just noticing because I play healers so much. There's just not a situation where this would cause some unseen amount of toxicity from the playerbase towards healers, if anything it'd be likely be more understandable for newer players to not bother or to not be able to keep it up.

Ill have to give that a try as yeah I do use mobile for the most part. And I wasnt saying dont add more btw. Id be all for it (give me back my whm Aero 3 plz), I said what I did in respond to a claim that nothing would change for folks who already enjoy healing if more options were added. Ofc everyone will experience different people but its often frowned upon when healers arent dpsing. Just like its frowned upon (see the I think its the "Be nice to noob tanks" thread?) for a tank to not w2w. Difference there is people can make a tank pull more by pulling themselves (not exactly nice to do imo), but you cant do similar and make a healer dps more or at all. Alot of players want others to play to their standards regardless of said persons skill or situation. Why I like healing, keeps me on my shizz and allows me to help those who may be struggling.
Id never say giving us more options would create this sort of toxic air around healers but ill 100% say it will increase the expectation folks have of healers. (had to cut some of your stuff due to text limit my apologies)

And because it seems unless I say this folks get the wrong idea...this ISNT me saying to not improve the role

[Nethereal]

Just go do ultimate

A respectable statement from someone not being paid to make and promote the game they built.

[Nethereal]

Lol it takes a genius rocket science and a ToS banned program to know that hitting heals when no healing needs to be done is overhealing. What a statement.

Why do you think they nerfed thunder daddy 3 stack from a alliance wide wipe to a 60% health hit. People like that.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

You people aren't reading Jesus christ. WHEN DID I SAY PEOPLE CANT COMPLAIN!?!? How tf is me saying healers being enjoyable or not is due to preference considered an attempt to shut down critism? I've said NUMEROUS TIMES to give critism. NUMEROUS. I swear yall won't be happy until every single person on this forum agrees with you on every single gripe you have. Yall claim yall want discussions but when folks try to discuss things you don't listen and inject what hasn't even been said into the conversation.

People do be like this. Anything opposite is apparently Silencing Criticism

[Ayer2015]

“The story will get really good 30 hours in” has been replaced with “the expansion will get replayability 8 months in”

This game rarely included content with much of a grind. Perhaps older relic weapons did to some degree.
What you are seeing is what you can expect from the game between expansions.

[MonteCristo]

Been playing since beta and the no endgame/endgame is glamour/ hamster wheel gear progression/etc. has been beatin to death honestly. Regardless of any plausible points made the argument is always going to be did you do everything. Save your time and effort on something better because devs intentionally built the game this way sadly.

[TaleraRistain]

Adding more dps options doesnt mean players HAVE to use them.

Do you honestly think the community wouldn't come to see those abilities as essential in the healer rotation and call anyone bad or trash who didn't use them? Let's not try to pretend like there would be any options here. Wanting more dps abilities would absolutely affect healer players of all skill levels and their enjoyment of the game.

[Larirawiel]

Everytime someone has brought up a lack of content in EW or low quality content people have brought up how we’re getting the Tataru quests and the Omega quests. So, i gave the benefit of the doubt and said okay maybe this will be fully fleshed out long lasting quests. I guess i was wrong. Completed both in about an hour and a half…. So where exactly is all this new long lasting content? We still have to wait until what, July or August for 6.2?

In a pure themepark game you will never have long lasting content.




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