So uh, wheres the long lasting content?

[Ronduwil]

I love how you’re another example of what people have been saying in here. “HAVE YOU DONE X Y Z?!?!” which is really just the illusion of a meaningful grind but in reality you get very little for actually doing it.

I'm not sure what you're expecting a video game to give you. Literally, you get nothing except fun from playing video games. There are a ton of activities to do that most of us find fun. Just because you don't find Beast Tribe quests, deliveries, relic grinds, ultimate raids, and leveling to be satisfying doesn't mean that the game isn't rewarding for most of us. Expecting the game to cater just to your preferences at everyone else's expense simply isn't reasonable. We can offer suggestions until everyone is blue in the face, but you're always going to shut it down with:

i don’t want to play gutted and simplified jobs. Maybe when SE decides to actually fix them and give attention to them i’d give them a try. I don’t understand how asking for more long lasting content and a better mid-core/endgame warrants “but did you do these super meaningless tasks from 3-4 expansions ago?!”

So what I'm getting is that your complaint that there's nothing to do is really just a thinly veiled expression of your disapproval with the current job changes that most of us are perfectly fine with. With the exception of two jobs (Samurai, which could stand to have many buttons consolidated without having to eliminate a single skill and Summoner, which seems to evolve into a completely different job every expansion), most of the changes they've made have gone in the right direction. If you want constructive feedback for your complaints, then come right out and state them instead of complaining that you have nothing to do.

[Deveryn]

are you really trying to use irl tragedies to fuel your argument? These are game forums, not some politics forum. Yes, im going to bring up content and problems with the game and not discuss every irl event because this isnt the place for it. Please grow up.



The first relic zone in sb was 4.25. Theyve progressively delayed it more and more over the expansions lifeimte. Asking for them in 6.25 isnt exactly early. Especially since relics came in 3.15 for HW if im not mistaken.

I really am because the vibe I'm getting off this continued stream of tears feels like it's approaching / at that level. The level of dissatisfaction and the amount of energy being poured into this makes me think you take this whole thing a little too seriously and could really use a break. At least stop and figure out what it is you really want here.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I'm not sure what you're expecting a video game to give you. Literally, you get nothing except fun from playing video games. There are a ton of activities to do that most of us find fun. Just because you don't find Beast Tribe quests, deliveries, relic grinds, ultimate raids, and leveling to be satisfying doesn't mean that the game isn't rewarding for most of us. Expecting the game to cater just to your preferences at everyone else's expense simply isn't reasonable. We can offer suggestions until everyone is blue in the face, but you're always going to shut it down with:

So what I'm getting is that your complaint that there's nothing to do is really just a thinly veiled expression of your disapproval with the current job changes that most of us are perfectly fine with. With the exception of two jobs (Samurai, which could stand to have many buttons consolidated without having to eliminate a single skill and Summoner, which seems to evolve into a completely different job every expansion), most of the changes they've made have gone in the right direction. If you want constructive feedback for your complaints, then come right out and state them instead of complaining that you have nothing to do.

Theres a lot of assumptions going on when clearly you havent read any of my posts. I havent complained about relic grinds outside of the shb ones. I literally said i adored eureka... Beast tribes are literally heres something to do for 10 mins and thats it. Content over until the next day.Same with deliveries except its wait until next week.Ive already done savage this tier.

This is honestly the gatekeeping that people bring up time and time again though. You clearly cannot handle anyone critiquing content so you go and assume they must have some other problem or thei rother problems are some... "veil." Sorry to say, youre partially incorrect. My critique on the current content system of it being shit, is on top of, me thinking the current job design is shit. Neither is some veil over the other, so lets cool it with the conspiracy theories. Considering how many healer threads there are and how many qna questions are about healers, im inclinded to say not most of "us" are perfectly fine with them. Same goes for things like samurai,summoner,machinist, and so on and so forth. Just because YOU disagree doesnt mean everyone does. Im not sure btw, how asking for more long lasting endgame content or more midcore content is expecting the game to cater to my preferences. Its objectively something the game is lacking.

I really am because the vibe I'm getting off this continued stream of tears feels like it's approaching / at that level. The level of dissatisfaction and the amount of energy being poured into this makes me think you take this whole thing a little too seriously and could really use a break. At least stop and figure out what it is you really want here.

Again, this place is for criticism. If you cant handle peoples opinions or cant handle debate, then dont engage. Trying to tie irl events into this is just counterproductive and honestly childish.

[Ransu]

*looks at halo infinite* yeah ok bud it's so easy to keep a shooter alive. if you think you can just throw in a few maps and game modes and have a game that is still widely praised today (aside from some things that are honestly on the devs like bots, no support, or major updates etc...). and still retains a good playerbase/community then you're honestly nuts and know nothing of how to actually keep player retention.

wow eureka wasn't liked on launch and they learned from it and dropped a good piece of side content bozja. it's almost as if instead of just going oh this thing failed let's ignore it. you work on it and figure out how to make it better. thats what people expect from games that say they want to go on for 10 more years innovation, evolving gameplay, not basically the same content cycle but somehow taking longer inbetween each patch. and let's bring up island sanctuary. which is seen as an upgrade to housing (even tho it's more limited). it'll most likely just be the gardening system on a slightly bigger scale. and they already have a breeding system in place with chocobos that they would just have to tweak for animal breeding if they included it. it's prolly a farmland in the sky is all and will see mostly reused assets and systems the only really new things will be rendering multiple minions at once. and like i said animals and a bigger gardening system. we'd be lucky if we could put outdoors furnishings there. but i think they wouldn't hold that from us

Halo Infinite had limited maps, limited playlists (due to apparently because of UI limitations. We still only have a single ranked playlist. No ranked swat, no doubles, no shotty/snipers....the lack of playlists and maps are the biggest problem with the game), limited cosmetic system, a bad progression system tied to a battle pass that people hate and a in general garbage F2P design that no one asked for. Halo Infinite's problems go WAY deeper than simply "content" because the core game is actually quite good. They just screwed everything else up.

Wanna try again with your terrible attempts at making comparisons?

[Ronduwil]

Considering how many healer threads there are and how many qna questions are about healers, im inclinded to say not most of "us" are perfectly fine with them.

In my experience, you can't engage in a meaningful conversation with those people. They complain that healing is boring outside of ultimates, but they don't want to do ultimates. If you point out that they can raise the bar and set a goal of keeping everyone topped off in normal mode, they counter that then they're overhealing. How would they even know that they're overhealing without using an addon that is against ToS anyway? Also, when did overhealing ever prevent anything in normal mode from being completed? Then they come back saying that they need more complex DPS rotations as healers. Well, then play a DPS job! It's also a stretch to say that "most" players feel that way. There are millions of players who are subscribed to the game. Even the most popular forum post has maybe hundreds of likes. Forum complaints naturally skew heavily in the direction of players who are unhappy with the game. Adjusting the gameplay to suit the preferences of this fringe is a great way to tank the game's popularity.

[KizuyaKatogami]

In my experience, you can't engage in a meaningful conversation with those people. They complain that healing is boring outside of ultimates, but they don't want to do ultimates. If you point out that they can raise the bar and set a goal of keeping everyone topped off in normal mode, they counter that then they're overhealing. How would they even know that they're overhealing without using an addon that is against ToS anyway? Also, when did overhealing ever prevent anything in normal mode from being completed? Then they come back saying that they need more complex DPS rotations as healers. Well, then play a DPS job! It's also a stretch to say that "most" players feel that way. There are millions of players who are subscribed to the game. Even the most popular forum post has maybe hundreds of likes. Forum complaints naturally skew heavily in the direction of players who are unhappy with the game. Adjusting the gameplay to suit the preferences of this fringe is a great way to tank the game's popularity.

Uh, many complain healing is boring even in Ultimates, just less so. Every form of combat content in 14 has the same issue with healers. You are left spamming a single button for 90% of a fight. That is not fun nor is it good design. You dont need any special tools to notice overhealing. Its painfully obvious in things like dungeons or even 8 man content when a healer is overhealing and not using that time to dps.when the main dev of the game gets told healers are unfun and not engaging and his only response is essentially f off and go do ultimate(where it isnt even that much better) there is an inherent issue.

[IkaraGreydancer]

Uh, many complain healing is boring even in Ultimates, just less so. Every form of combat content in 14 has the same issue with healers. You are left spamming a single button for 90% of a fight. That is not fun nor is it good design. You dont need any special tools to notice overhealing. Its painfully obvious in things like dungeons or even 8 man content when a healer is overhealing and not using that time to dps.when the main dev of the game gets told healers are unfun and not engaging and his only response is essentially f off and go do ultimate(where it isnt even that much better) there is an inherent issue.

Thatsxjust it though. Many complain about heaing being boring yet many also are fine with it as is. Folks complaining aren't 100% correct nor are those ok with it. It's all opinions at the end of the day. Difference is its often seen that if you express you enjoy healing as is its said you have low standards or are bad at the game.

Also you taking Yoshi Ps answer as him telling us heal mains/users to f off is purely your injection

[pikalovr]

Halo Infinite had limited maps, limited playlists (due to apparently because of UI limitations. We still only have a single ranked playlist. No ranked swat, no doubles, no shotty/snipers....the lack of playlists and maps are the biggest problem with the game), limited cosmetic system, a bad progression system tied to a battle pass that people hate and a in general garbage F2P design that no one asked for. Halo Infinite's problems go WAY deeper than simply "content" because the core game is actually quite good. They just screwed everything else up.

Wanna try again with your terrible attempts at making comparisons?

so how many game modes/maps you want? you already have 4 modes for each playlist and 7 modes overall. and you have 10 maps overall which should be fine even if you only got 2 maps a playlist right? or is the content there not enough for you? hmm sounds familiar now doesn't it? also the core gameplay is good so you'd keep playing if the bad things were fixed or taken away right? also sounds familiar

the point is that what you said was in fact in halo infinite. and it still flopped ty for finally understanding what i was getting at. it doesn't matter off only just one thing but multiple things layered ontop of each other once again REGARDLESS OF GENRE.

so now we look at FFXIV you say just go do extreme mount farms. ok i two shot ARR trials as BLM and if i sync myself down the job becomes a hell of a lot less fun. so instead of them fixing the issue of jobs being not made for lower level content anymore. and introducing more unreal trials to give older trials a chance to be farmed at max level like they were back in the day. we the players should just suffer or play something non fun so we can get "content". it's no different than saying you can only get 1/4 fun game modes off a playlist. no it's not our job (devs) to make the modes more fun or add more modes or eliminate the RNG. it's your job (the players) to make the 3/4 modes that aren't fun fun. you see how stupid this mentality is?

[KizuyaKatogami]

Thatsxjust it though. Many complain about heaing being boring yet many also are fine with it as is. Folks complaining aren't 100% correct nor are those ok with it. It's all opinions at the end of the day. Difference is its often seen that if you express you enjoy healing as is its said you have low standards or are bad at the game.

Also you taking Yoshi Ps answer as him telling us heal mains/users to f off is purely your injection

Its essentially the same. He's ignored healer pleas for a long time now, even when Zepla, a very well known streamer who loves 14, has brought it up to him, because she too agrees there is a problem. It's not like the changes people ask for would come at the cost of other peoples enjoyment either. Adding more dps options doesnt mean players HAVE to use them. Its just more options for people who want to feel engaged. As it is right now, its many having to suffer because some people wont allow change.As a game dev, ignoring and gutting an entire role every expansion and not giving proper reasoning for it is lazy and downright unprofessional.

[Nethereal]

As we all know SE is a small Indie Dev Company so you can't be expecting so much from them.

Difference is its often seen that if you express you enjoy healing as is its said you have low standards or are bad at the game.

The difference is they use a facetious argument along with the fact they like current healing and then get offended when they're shut down. You know this.