What's even the point of doing savage?

[kaynide]

@OP: You're not wrong; Savage and general hardcore endgame stuff is done for the sake of personal goals and satisfaction.

It's not for me, and it might not be for you either and that's fine. I personally like to level as many classes as I can to cap, more for story (But even then we don't have stories per job anymore so my motivation there has waned).

I typically just play when I feel like leveling or hanging with friends, but when there's nothing I want to do I don't force myself to play- I just play something else to scratch whatever itch I'm feeling. Or do some netflix.

Just for your own personal planning, assuming you're worried about gear or keeping up your iLVL:
The easiest route for gearing up is basically getting end-of-expansion tomestone stuff, which will last about 5 levels into the next expansion.

(Meaning, the gear that drops in the 3rd MSQ dungeon will be better than the tomestone stuff, so you'd never need to really farm for gear)

[Vryn]

@OP: You're not wrong; Savage and general hardcore endgame stuff is done for the sake of personal goals and satisfaction.

It's not for me, and it might not be for you either and that's fine. I personally like to level as many classes as I can to cap, more for story (But even then we don't have stories per job anymore so my motivation there has waned).

I typically just play when I feel like leveling or hanging with friends, but when there's nothing I want to do I don't force myself to play- I just play something else to scratch whatever itch I'm feeling. Or do some netflix.

Just for your own personal planning, assuming you're worried about gear or keeping up your iLVL:
The easiest route for gearing up is basically getting end-of-expansion tomestone stuff, which will last about 5 levels into the next expansion.

(Meaning, the gear that drops in the 3rd MSQ dungeon will be better than the tomestone stuff, so you'd never need to really farm for gear)

To you, not everyone is motivated by personal goals and intrinsic satisfaction some of us need to feel the grind, need the actual progression both in terms of looks and power. If we aren't going to be rewarded for our effort other than a fleeting feeling we will have on the first clear then it's not really that valuable.

There is no point in keeping up with gear, the gear you get now is going the worst and most limited version of gear with stupid restrictions. The only thing with end game gear that matters is it dyeable.

[kaynide]

To you, not everyone is motivated by personal goals and intrinsic satisfaction some of us need to feel the grind, need the actual progression both in terms of looks and power. If we aren't going to be rewarded for our effort other than a fleeting feeling we will have on the first clear then it's not really that valuable.

I'm not really sure what you mean here- isn't grinding for grinding's sake just another personal goal/intrinsic satisfaction?

Other than that I think I basically said what you did:

The best-lazy way to gear is just the 3rd set of tomestone gear.

The gear is literally useless as once you have all BiS, you've already finished all the content except MAYBE Ultimate. There isn't some larger additional content that requires even remotely close to BiS.