What's even the point of doing savage?

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

Hey all,

I started savage couple weeks ago, it's difficult but not that difficult either.

I'm actually on P3S and learn the mecha with my roster.

I wonder though, BIS taken appart, what's the point of the savage content? Just killing difficult boss?

For what? You can be full 600 ilvl (except weapon 595) only with memoquartz. What's even the point of learning and training hours just for killing a boss who gives you nothing really important.

I'm just curious, everyone seems so happy with how the actual endgame content are right now but i don't get it.

Even if you farm and you have everything BIS, in the next big patch when new ilvl release, the stuff from crafting will be 10 ilvl more than your actual BIS.

What's the point? How do you guys don't be bored of farming something that are not more useful than the other one which you don't need to farm to have it but just wait weeks and weeks...

You can't use your stuff on PVP and every roulette are sync so, your stuff means nothing, except for helping you killing the savage you already kill.

Even doing ultimate gives you nothing more except a skin... It just feel weird.

[AnnRam]

Hating humanity at another level.

[Henji]

You do savage so you can do ultimate.

[LittleImp]

Savage is done for the initial satisfaction of overcoming the challenge, aiming for faster killtimes, sharpening your skills for the next tier, and gearing up for Ultimate.

It's just a video game. Yoshida isn't going to pop out of your CD tray, shake your hand and give you a life-altering quantality of money for clearing an Ultimate. You do it purely for your own satisfaction and to test your skills, and if it doesn't seem appealing than it may just not be for you.

[Momo_Kozuki]

It's just a video game. Yoshida isn't going to pop out of your CD tray, shake your hand and give you a life-altering quantality of money for clearing an Ultimate.

Wait, you mean he doesn't? D:

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

It may not be for me then.

The only problem is that it's the only thing to do in endgame content so...

[DixieBellOCE]

It may not be for me then.

The only problem is that it's the only thing to do in endgame content so...

outside of..

Housing?
Mount collecting?
Minion Collecting?
Relic Weapons?
Acheivement Hunting?
Eureka?
Marketboard Domination?

The endgame is what you want it to be, Raiding is only a small fraction of the game.

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

outside of..

Housing?
Mount collecting?
Minion Collecting?
Relic Weapons?
Acheivement Hunting?
Eureka?
Marketboard Domination?

The endgame is what you want it to be, Raiding is only a small fraction of the game.

What you list is not endgame content, you can do that while being lvl 70-80, maybe less and you don't even need the best gear for it.

Endgame content is what you can do with your best character at max level with the best gear in game. That's endgame content. What's the point of being ilvl 600 for housing or relic farming?

That's my point. YES, savage is fun (kind of, i dare you to do all the 4 actual savage in PF and tell me it's fun) but you're not rewarded with gear, like in every other MMO.
Even mount farming, for what? OK, your mount will be beautiful, but it will have THE EXACT SAME SPEED as the basic chocobo. Glam taken appart, what's the point then?

So, the only endgame in FF14 is the glam, farming for glam, learning mecha for glam, and killing hard content for glam, i got it.

FF14 is fun, some thing are hard AF, but it's for glam. Ok i get it now people, thanks

[LianaThorne]

Endgame content is what you can do with your best character at max level with the best gear in game. That's endgame content. What's the point of being ilvl 600 for housing or relic farming?

End game is limited at the moment because we literally are only in 6.1x. We have a lot more patches to go that will have more content added to it. FF is not the type to drown you in content all at once, it's spaced out so people of all playstyles can keep up and not feel rushed to complete it. Once you've gotten your gear on your main job to the point that you want it, you have a few options:

1) Do harder content such as current tier savage or any of the ultimates.
2) Level alt jobs and gear them up (since, at this point, if you aren't doing harder content you're just gearing up for 7.0 content/the new relic grind coming in)
3) Do old content such as relic grinds and achievement hunting for titles and other rewards (such as mounts)
4) Cancel your sub until new content comes in

It's not "just glam", you've been given plenty of other options for what to do and it just doesn't seem to fit what you're looking for. Which is fine, just might be time to do something else for now until new content rolls in. If you don't see a point to it, no amount of us explaining options to you will change anything.

I do find it kind of head tilting though that you find learning a fight for a month straight for a weapon pointless but you're literally doing that same thing already in savage. You do know Augmented Radiant's gear (tome gear that can be augmented with the drop from Aglaia) is ilvl 600 too...right?

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

End game is limited at the moment because we literally are only in 6.1x. We have a lot more patches to go that will have more content added to it. FF is not the type to drown you in content all at once, it's spaced out so people of all playstyles can keep up and not feel rushed to complete it. Once you've gotten your gear on your main job to the point that you want it, you have a few options:

1) Do harder content such as current tier savage or any of the ultimates.
2) Level alt jobs and gear them up (since, at this point, if you aren't doing harder content you're just gearing up for 7.0 content/the new relic grind coming in)
3) Do old content such as relic grinds and achievement hunting for titles and other rewards (such as mounts)
4) Cancel your sub until new content comes in

It's not "just glam", you've been given plenty of other options for what to do and it just doesn't seem to fit what you're looking for. Which is fine, just might be time to do something else for now until new content rolls in. If you don't see a point to it, no amount of us explaining options to you will change anything.

I do find it kind of head tilting though that you find learning a fight for a month straight for a weapon pointless but you're literally doing that same thing already in savage. You do know Augmented Radiant's gear (tome gear that can be augmented with the drop from Aglaia) is ilvl 600 too...right?

Yep, my BIS is a mix of memo stuff and raid stuff. I did savage because 1/ It's the only combat related endgame, the only thing with ultimate, there's nothing else to do combat related endgame. And 2/ i wanted better stuff and a 605 weapon.
After due consideration, what for? Ilvl means nothing because there is no endgame. FF14 is a MMORPG mixed with animal crossing.
You do super hard stuff to loot a shiny weapon, and you afk in limsa showing that weapon to everyone.

Or even better, you play music afk in limsa, that's the real endgame

You seems to not understand what i said. Everything you just said as an example (except savage/ultimate) is not endgame related, it's just base game related.

There is not really endgame content in ff14 and it's too bad cause it's a good game. You can tell me all you want savage/ultimate is the endgame but if you do that for the gear, and can do nothing more with this gear after, it's just useless.

The only "endgame" you advice me is farming glam "relic" which is a pain (farming with my ilvl 597 warrior doing lvl 34 fate synchronized is a pain) or cancel my sub.

So maybe the devs should look after releasing something for endgame maybe (something useful, not just a shiny glam)? or at least, let us use our savage/ultimate gear in pvp with our pve skills...