What's even the point of doing savage?

[Kolsykol]

Covenants, differing endings, invasions, blue phantoms, later on purple phantoms, build variety, etc. These are all things that contribute to Dark Souls replayability while none of that exists here.

What's the point of any of that then?
Could it be fuuuuuuunnnn?

Build variety in Souls games tho, lel.
I think a more accurate way of saying is it intentionally gimping yourself for the lulz.
Souls games generally have a handful of OP stuff.

FFXIV doesn't have '' replayability '' because it's a MMO, it has ongoing content.
There's nothing stopping you from doing PvP, PoTD, Eureka or Bozja, hanging out with friends, doing fate farms for glam etc, farming Extremes for mounts ( including old Savage and Extreme content too ), leveling new Jobs and experiencing the story content maybe NG+ if you skipped it before, Relic farm, professions etc etc.

Nah, warhammer online wasn't like that. You could have a social life while playing warhammer online, but you also been rewarded for your fight and the useful gear you loot helped you killing the other faction and taking their castle and capital. Twas fun

You can have a social life while playing FFXIV too, FFXIV is very respectful of your time.
Savage really isn't that impossible to clear either even through PF in a reasonable time.
And getting reclears doesn't rly take long most of the time, I usually do it in one sitting.

I'd also like to remind you that Warhammer Online died, FFXIV has increased in players with every new expansion.
So I think FFXIV is doing something right and that there's certainly quite a lot of people who disagree with you.

Imho I actually think Glam is the most interesting reward.

[BluexBird]

I'm not confused? You're just spewing utter manure out of your face.

Covenants, differing endings, invasions, blue phantoms, later on purple phantoms, build variety, etc. These are all things that contribute to Dark Souls replayability while none of that exists here. There's continued gameplay while nothing exists after the end-game here. You're conflating the point of an entire game with the nothing that exists in an MMO. Live service games do not, and should not, follow the same rules as their smaller counterparts. That simple.

Learn to keep your hands off the keyboard when you consider touching something you know nothing about.

Nah, you really are confused. Because you just glossed over the main point of BOTH my posts, and decided to make the whole thing about Dark Souls, when I literally just brought it up as an example.

[BluexBird]

FFXIV doesn't have '' replayability '' because it's a MMO, it has ongoing content.

What's funny is that FFXIV actually has a bunch of jobs that can count as "replayability".

Actually, now that I think of it, the main reason why I feel like playing other jobs in FFXIV is so I can try clearing Savage with them. Kind of ironic. lol

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

I do not mean this in an elitist snob way, but don't do it if you dont like it.
Savages are a niche side part of this game that exist for people who like the increased difficulty. The only real benefits of doing it is getting the glamour and mount before people get it from unsync parties in a year or two.

They seem specifically designed to be pointless unless you're someone who enjoys striving for them. If you're not interested in the high end content in this game, gear you get from Agalia or from tomestones will serve you just fine.

I'm saying this as someone who enjoys them btw, I just respect that raiding isnt for everyone.

Raiding is fun, but the time you need to put on the game for learning and trying, and the weeks you need to wait to at least buy a piece of gear is just ridiculous. It looks like they intentionaly put the 1 week clear only for people to continue paying for their sub, and it's a poor way of implementing endgame.

[Kolsykol]

What's funny is that FFXIV actually has a bunch of jobs that can count as "replayability".

Actually, now that I think of it, the main reason why I feel like playing other jobs in FFXIV is so I can try clearing Savage with them. Kind of ironic. lol

Yeah in FFXIV I feel pretty free to play whatever I want without many downsides.
I play new Jobs in Savage too to learn and have fun, recently I've done a lot of tanking and it's a very new experience.

Raiding is fun, but the time you need to put on the game for learning and trying, and the weeks you need to way to at least buy a piece of piece is just ridiculous. It looks like they intentionaly put the 1 week clear only for people to continue paying for their sub, and it's a poor way od implementing endgame.

If you don't care for Savage or Ultimates then I wouldn't worry about gear rly, just do what you want and feel like in the game.
Gear doesn't rly matter outside of that.

[Oizen]

Raiding is fun, but the time you need to put on the game for learning and trying, and the weeks you need to way to at least buy a piece of piece is just ridiculous. It looks like they intentionaly put the 1 week clear only for people to continue paying for their sub, and it's a poor way od implementing endgame.

I agree, and I would (and am) keeping up with savages just for the fun of it. I don't need BiS dangled over my head to keep me playing it.

But the fact this content is now 5 months old and still has that arbitary loot lock out on its is just dumb. I honestly think that shit could be removed like a month or two after the tier is added.

[pikalovr]

I get it now, endgame in FF14 is about suffering, learning, dying and playing for weeks, to show your glam to the other It's a weird endgame, but it is one though

glam being the true end game isn't anything new *looks over at warframe sorry i mean fashionframe*

i've already tried saying that the savage gear set should at minimum allow people to immediately access the next tier of savages, if not be a little more powerful stat wise. but got basically nothing but backlash and me being "entitled" for wanting a gearing system that actually makes sense and rewards people time spent. especially if they're gonna space all the content out over long periods

if the only thing you have going for your new gear is slightly faster reclears or ultimates. which is only for the first tier mind you the second tiers gear is basically useless aside from faster reclears. also those who hit BiS will prolly still not touch ultimate. then there's an issue with your gearing system it's an MMO"RPG" with a linear gear progression system it should at least do the bare minimum.

you play games to experience and overcome challenges and use the strength you gained (gear skills levels etc..) to overcome the next challenge. not just pay 3mil gil and be ready to tackle the next challenge day 1. even tho your previously hard fought gear should be just as powerful as that set you spent gil on at minimum.

also those who keep crying oh but my profits off crafted sets day one *looks over at bots/mass supply literally killing the price after like 2 days to a week if you're lucky*. are we really gonna throw out a logical gearing system for you to make a couple million gil in one day? you say we should conform to you but you shouldn't conform to us? cause i hate to tell you you're still gonna be making money anyways cause not everyone is gonna farm BIS and not everyone is gonna have previous tiers set and what will they do then hmm? i wonder

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

glam being the true end game isn't anything new *looks over at warframe sorry i mean fashionframe*

i've already tried saying that the savage gear set should at minimum allow people to immediately access the next tier of savages, if not be a little more powerful stat wise. but got basically nothing but backlash and me being "entitled" for wanting a gearing system that actually makes sense and rewards people time spent. especially if they're gonna space all the content out over long periods

if the only thing you have going for your new gear is slightly faster reclears or ultimates. which is only for the first tier mind you the second tiers gear is basically useless aside from faster reclears. also those who hit BiS will prolly still not touch ultimate. then there's an issue with your gearing system it's an MMO"RPG" with a linear gear progression system it should at least do the bare minimum.

you play games to experience and overcome challenges and use the strength you gained (gear skills levels etc..) to overcome the next challenge. not just pay 3mil gil and be ready to tackle the next challenge day 1. even tho your previously hard fought gear should be just as powerful as that set you spent gil on at minimum.

also those who keep crying oh but my profits off crafted sets day one *looks over at bots/mass supply literally killing the price after like 2 days to a week if you're lucky*. are we really gonna throw out a logical gearing system for you to make a couple million gil in one day? you say we should conform to you but you shouldn't conform to us? cause i hate to tell you you're still gonna be making money anyways cause not everyone is gonna farm BIS and not everyone is gonna have previous tiers set and what will they do then hmm? i wonder

EXACTLY my thought. With the time you need to spend and the mechanic learning you need to do, the stuff you loot in savage should be way more powerful (especially how hard it is to find a group). But i guess lots of people disagree with that.

[Tlachtga]

because its the only content my job actually is required....at least for now. at least if you ignore the all tank UCOB kill last year, and the multiple 8 tank P1S and P2S clears that were done early this tier.

you literally do not need healers for casual stuff

the healer job design and the dev's approach to them is like we're all 5 year old children, incapable of handling the slightest bit of complexity, whether it be in the job design or the content.

[GaspardSavoureuxx]

You can have a social life while playing FFXIV too, FFXIV is very respectful of your time.
Savage really isn't that impossible to clear either even through PF in a reasonable time.
And getting reclears doesn't rly take long most of the time, I usually do it in one sitting.

I'd also like to remind you that Warhammer Online died, FFXIV has increased in players with every new expansion.
So I think FFXIV is doing something right and that there's certainly quite a lot of people who disagree with you.

Imho I actually think Glam is the most interesting reward.

FFXIV have increase player because 1/ it's a free trial for like 100hours and more and 2/ people come on expansion, farm it for 3-4 weeks, and then leave for month to wait for the next expansion. Lots of people does that.
In warhammer online, you always had something to do in endgame and you never ran out of endgame content like in here. There were countless of hours to do in endgame, without any expansion. But there were no glam, so i guess nowaday people play MMO for glam