Just remove healers.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Not sure where you get 495 for each Phlegma from: SE's SGE guide says it has "a potency of 400 for the first enemy, and 30% less" -- 280 -- " for all remaining enemies," which is 680 on 2 targets and 960 on 3. So the SGE number should be 4590. And against 3 targets, and skipping the E.Dosis, SGE gets (480*10)+(960*2) = 6720.

We actually did had it wrong on some parts. I was wrong with the damage falloff portion, while you are wrong on the main target potency. Phlegma at lv60 is only 330p thanks to lv54 trait with 30% fall off. So it would be 330+(231*x).

Except you undervalued Phlegma, so it's 4590 vs. 4669. That difference is in the noise.

You've also undervalued the standard finish buff that the DNC gave to their partner which also counts to their overall contribution. Coupled with that a SGE will never outdps a DNC.

Didn't you realize that having only two mobs gives maximum advantage to DNC?
Anyway, thanks for the analysis.
Based on it I will refine my previous statement:
A SGE can out-DPS a DNC when doing AoE attacks on three or more mobs.
Now get out there and do it!

Didn't you realize excluding DNC's full kits with the assumption of "this is what I get from DR Levelling most of time" is also unfair considering how jobs are designed to function at their best at their cap level? You know that people would assume that everybody is on cap level when speaking of similar discussion until you barge in? You know a healer will NEVER comes close to any good DPS, so is this why you cherry pick a lv60 as your delusional baseline? (I wish I know exactly where I could find that page QooEr & WaxSw linking without having to scour aimlessly! They prove you flat wrong, period).

You really should add "Lv60" to further refine your delusions
Now play your game & get a better delusions!

[Silverbane]

We actually did had it wrong on some parts. I was wrong with the damage falloff portion, while you are wrong on the main target potency. Phlegma at lv60 is only 330p thanks to lv54 trait with 30% fall off. So it would be 330+(231*x).

Hmm, yeah, I wasn't in game and I used the L90 numbers from the website.
My bad. But you can just use Dyskrasia and SGE still wins for big packs of mobs.

You've also undervalued the standard finish buff that the DNC gave to their partner which also counts to their overall contribution.

Closed position isn't available below L60, so for much of Duty Roulette, it isn't there.
And when it is, and my spouse is on DNC, I get it, because I'm usually the top DPS on trash pulls, and it's easy to switch to someone else for boss fights.

Didn't you realize excluding DNC's full kits with the assumption of "this is what I get from DR Levelling most of time" is also unfair considering how jobs are designed to function at their best at their cap level?

You do understand that the reason I posted the analysis to begin with is because people here accused me of either lying about my DPS output or beating only incompetent DPS? Neither of which were true of course, but your side of this argument doesn't seem to value truth. Anyway, for me, all this analysis does is confirm my real-life experience.

You know that people would assume that everybody is on cap level when speaking of similar discussion until you barge in?

Why would anyone assume that when talking about Duty Roulette? Besides, playing FFXIV at cap level is the most boring part of FFXIV, and far less important to the game than Duty Roulette. Content at cap is a sop tossed to a fervent minority to keep them online until the new content comes out.

(I wish I know exactly where I could find that page QooEr & WaxSw linking without having to scour aimlessly! They prove you flat wrong, period).[/I]

How do you know what those sites prove, if you haven't found them? Wishful thinking on your part isn't proof. Besides, you already proved me right.

You really should add "Lv60" to further refine your delusions

And now, after a brief stint of rationality and scientific thinking that unfortunately didn't go your way in the end, you revert to BS assertions you can't actually back. Are you so emotionally committed to your opinions that you can deny the facts you yourself discovered because those facts contradict them? That's Orwellian doublethink, and it is not a good thing.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

You do understand that the reason I posted the analysis to begin with is because people here accused me of either lying about my DPS output or beating only incompetent DPS? Neither of which were true of course, but your side of this argument doesn't seem to value truth. Anyway, for me, all this analysis does is confirm my real-life experience.

Believe what you want, whatever makes you happier. Just don't be surprised when people call you out for being false because datas are showing the otherwise. Our gigabrain math attempts earlier really stops mattering once QooEr and WaxSw uploaded those snippets.

Why would anyone assume that when talking about Duty Roulette? Besides, playing FFXIV at cap level is the most boring part of FFXIV, and far less important to the game than Duty Roulette. Content at cap is a sop tossed to a fervent minority to keep them online until the new content comes out.

I said DF. Duty Finder. Roulette is but a part of the DF, not necessarily everything that makes up every player's DF experience.

How do you know what those sites prove, if you haven't found them? Wishful thinking on your part isn't proof. Besides, you already proved me right.

Because... I plow through the website a few times in the past? Because... those caps of similar content are sent elsewhere, and like here? Because... I took my time in the past to try understand what those graphs means? I'm just saying so because those two folks provided a far better answer than my attempt to gigabrain math which is not immune to human errors. If you truly value the act of clarifying the truth, you should know logs are more credible than anything else you can find. You didn't however, for whatever reason.

But yeah okay. You do you. You're free to disagree. :shrug: I've done my part. Guess I just can't convince you, worth trying though.

[Silverbane]

But yeah okay. You do you. You're free to disagree. :shrug: I've done my part. Guess I just can't convince you, worth trying though.

Sad to see you abandoning reasoned, fact-based results for the vague memories of websites you can't find now, in the belief that those websites prove your own analysis wrong.

And the snippets posted here prove nothing about the issue we were analyzing, because they just show aggregated data. I wish you could put aside your prejudices long enough to see that, you're clearly smart enough.

You were so proud and confident in your analysis until I pointed out the issues I had with it.
You really shouldn't abandon scientific analytic thinking just because you don't like the results.

[Martynek]

Content at cap is a sop tossed to a fervent minority to keep them online until the new content comes out.

When was the last time they added a completely new dungeon, raid, or trial to the game that was not synced to the current maximum level?

That's Orwellian doublethink, and it is not a good thing.

"They aren't respecting my delusions?! LITERALLY NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR!!!!!!!!"
you're like a parody of a parody lol.

[WaxSw]

Sad to see you abandoning reasoned, fact-based results for the vague memories of websites you can't find now, in the belief that those websites prove your own analysis wrong.

And the snippets posted here prove nothing about the issue we were analyzing, because they just show aggregated data. I wish you could put aside your prejudices long enough to see that, you're clearly smart enough.

You were so proud and confident in your analysis until I pointed out the issues I had with it.
You really shouldn't abandon scientific analytic thinking just because you don't like the results.

-Ignores literal data got from multitude of samples through reliable methods and twist them to say it proves other person wrong when only proves them wrong
-Favors personal non measured experience in a very tiny number of samples ignoring major factors as damage calculation formulas or party buffs
-Claims other people are leaving scientific analytic thinking but not them

The joke tells itself, its like playing chess with a pigeon

[baklava151]

You can just run a level 60 dungeon with a DNC and SGE and look at the live data, I'm not even sure what point we're arguing about here though lol

[Amenara]

-Ignores literal data got from multitude of samples through reliable methods and twist them to say it proves other person wrong when only proves them wrong
-Favors personal non measured experience in a very tiny number of samples ignoring major factors as damage calculation formulas or party buffs
-Claims other people are leaving scientific analytic thinking but not them

The joke tells itself, its like playing chess with a pigeon

They are just a troll who intentionally makes terrible, baseless arguments, ignores when people post real data disproving their arguments because they are so indoctrinated to their own falsehoods they can't see how bad they are just trolling themselves.

Honestly, everyone should just collectively ignore their posts and continue discussion around them so hopefully they give up, think they won because we are just ignoring the stupidity, or keep ranting to themselves.

[IDontPetLalas]

-Ignores literal data got from multitude of samples through reliable methods and twist them to say it proves other person wrong when only proves them wrong
-Favors personal non measured experience in a very tiny number of samples ignoring major factors as damage calculation formulas or party buffs
-Claims other people are leaving scientific analytic thinking but not them

The joke tells itself, its like playing chess with a pigeon

Hmm, actually bad comparison, pigeons are pretty smart https://pigeonpedia.com/are-pigeons-smart/

[Picker]

I remember doing 3-dps 1 tank runs of smileton and dreamscape within a week of hitting lvl 90