The Ancients still deserved better, after everything

[geekgirl101]

You really don't understand and I don't want to waste any more of my energy arguing with you. Hydaelyn didn't sunder the world for glory and all that stuff. She tried talking to the people and they refused to listen even when the world was being destroyed around them. She tried to rally them to fight back, prove that fear and despair would not win them over and that their will to live was absolute, but they were all too eager to sacrifice themselves to Zodiark and have him fix everything for them. Who's to say that before the Final Days struck that they would've listened to her? She had to prove everything and she had nothing. They were programmed to believe that there was an accident that destroyed Meteion and wiped everyones' memories. Venat may have been able to show them the truth through her gift but would they have really wanted to listen? They weren't so willing to listen to her before even with us at her side and who is to say that the time between our presence on Elpis and the Final Days wasn't a matter of a few days barely giving Venat enough time to convince them that this wasn't just something she invented? And who is to say that once she did prove she was speaking the truth that the first thing they wouldn't have done would've been to summon Zodiark right away? Then the whole thing would've just gone around in circles with Venat telling them they need to not rely on a primal to solve all their problems and then having to become Hydaelyn to prevent more lives being sacrificed and the inevitable doom that would follow several thousand years later when Zodiark's powers would start to weaken.

[PawPaw]

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I think we understand quite well. No one is claiming that Venat let her people die for glory. We ask why she did nothing to stop them from dying at all.

Firstly, it really does sound as though you are taking the events in that metaphorical music video to be an actuality which is an interesting choice. She didn't do anything of use or significance to let the people who mattered know what was happening before the Final Days and even if she attempted to speak up after the world had gone to hell, her empty words and platitudes would have meant nothing at that point. The worst had happened and had been averted by the only thing that the Ancients could come up with in the time and with the diminished resources that they had. They were utterly broken and they didn't even know why. Considering they had no idea what was happening to them, they did quite well and were trying to rebuild. Rally them to fight back? That should have happened before Meteion attacked and they should have known what they were fighting back against.

Who is this "they" that wasn't willing to listen to her when we were at their side? Why would anyone other than us be telling our story when we were present? Do you mean when Emet-Selch stormed out of the meeting room but then we see him 5 minutes later where he says that, even if he didn't really believe us, he had a duty to investigate to see if there was merit? That kind of absolute unwillingness to look for the truth? If he was a representation of the mindset of the Convocation then it is quite clear that they would have gone to the full lengths to discover all of the truths behind the situation.

The reason that Zodiark was even their last resort was because the world with all of it's aether had been utterly destroyed and the last resource they had was their own bodies. Imagine what they might have been able to do with warning and their full sources of aether available for a shield? Venat already knew that dynamis was weak against aether. That's all the scholars of that age needed to know to form a plan. Almost entirely likely that Zodiark would never have had to become a last ditch reality and 75% of the planet wouldn't have had to lose their lives. But hey, we'll never know because Venat never bothered sharing and they all died because of it. Cool story.