The Ancients still deserved better, after everything

[Saraide]

The point of the comparision is 'let's take this terrible action and then soften it by portraying the victims as strawman crazies and its perpetrator(s) as sad and somber about it'. Also, as of EW, her back is not really against the wall, not anymore, because... time loop, she knew everything.

Wait hold on, where are the ancients portrayed as strawman lunatics? Where was Zenos ever sad and somber about what he did? The more we interacted with the ancients the more the wol understands that they werent lunatics disconnected from reality but loving and diligent people. This is the beast tribe treatment all over again.

Her back was always against the wall, knowledge of the coming demise does not stop it already. Her options were: tell the ancients about it again (and risk hermes betraying them again and consigning the wol's world to oblivion) or dont tell them and instead work for a contingency plan for the wol's crew to handle the situation (consigning the ancients' world to oblivion). A situation she had reason to believe we were much better equipped to handle than the society of the ancients because of the nature of the threat at hand. As powerful as they were, they were not well equipped to face up against despair itself.

[SentioftheHoukai]

Reminded of this...



Do I agree with the 'literary theme' and the premise of it? Yeah, but I still think Endwalker fumbled it.

Thanks. I am hardly delusional, I don't expect Square and Yoshi-P to bend over backwards and write Endwalker to my satisfaction. The start and end of this post was nothing more than me being sad a bunch of people I liked died, for a cause I personally believe was preventable and presenting my reasoning for why I think this. It seems this was an overstep in the eyes of some however, else I wouldn't be facing an endless army of plot corrections and cast shade.

Wait hold on, where are the ancients portrayed as strawman lunatics? Where was Zenos ever sad and somber about what he did? The more we interacted with the ancients the more the wol understands that they werent lunatics disconnected from reality but loving and diligent people. This is the beast tribe treatment all over again.

Her back was always against the wall, knowledge of the coming demise does not stop it already. Her options were: tell the ancients about it again (and risk hermes betraying them again and consigning the wol's world to oblivion) or dont tell them and instead work for a contingency plan for the wol's crew to handle the situation (consigning the ancients' world to oblivion). A situation she had reason to believe we were much better equipped to handle than the society of the ancients because of the nature of the threat at hand. As powerful as they were, they were not well equipped to face up against despair itself.

Perhaps the Ancients were equipped to face Despair, perhaps they were not. However, I ask you to show me someone who is. Beyond Venat's arbitrary word that they were not, it feels to me a logical assumption that a good chunk of the reason WHY they plunged into despair so quickly is because their world's end quite literally came from nowhere. Which was preventable, if only Venat had the temerity to tell the truth. When faced with what they were due to missing or false info, what people with the means WOULDN'T summon a God? I fully believe if Venat fully equipped them perhaps even Zodiark would not be necessary.

[DPZ2]

Which was preventable, if only Venat had the temerity to tell the truth. When faced with what they were due to missing or false info, what people with the means WOULDN'T summon a God? I fully believe if Venat fully equipped them perhaps even Zodiark would not be necessary.

The time loop would be unbound in that case. We were never born. The information did not go back in time with us. Nobody learned of Hermes information. The Ancients all die. End of story.

[AnEmissary]

I'm okay with a broken time loop and WoL's ceasing to exist as long as it leads to a better end for the Ancients. I have minimal interest or care in the Sundered characters--the individual who said above that they found the Ancients cold and distant? That's exactly how I feel about the Scions, and have for years.

Venat's presence for the situation in Elpis was assured whether WoL went back in time or not. She has the information. Perhaps, without the assurance of their later involvement, she would have been motivated to act on it in a proper manner in her own time, instead of resorting to such senseless destruction as the Sundering.