Public Discussion: Community Feedback - Is it being heard?

[SwingLifeAway]

A lot of topics have multiple threads, just take a glance.

A problem that could easily be solved by SE doing bare minimum moderation of their forums, which they clearly do not do. If they even don't do that then I don't know why people think they are listening.

[ValkyriaCrystalis]

Honestly, the English Forums are hardly ever moderated, how can you believe they are paying attention to English Language Requests? The Japanese Requests are Heard, Reddit Requests are Heard, even their Live Stream Requests are Heard. Just the Official English Language forums tend to be ignored, and odds are who ever is tasked to follow them seems to not really pay much attention, otherwise the LGBTQAI+ bashing threads wouldn't be allowed.

I just want to pause for a second on the topic of forum moderation.
It’s a fact that, in English forum, there is a TON of topics.
Don’t get me wrong, I love reading English forums, because French ones are nearly dead, plus, there is some good ideas pointing from English community, sometimes. My favourites posters are all on English forums.

But, in my experience as a former forum moderator a few years ago on another community, it’s a real pain in the !!! when there is to much topics to watch for.
I don’t support abusive necro, but there are a lot of topics repeating each other and I think we should be more tolerant on necroing some valuables threads. Look at the JP forums. This is way more simple to find relatable threads on them.

Tldr : yay for megathreads and some necroing for a clearer view on our issues for the mods team.

[BrokentoothMarch]

Actually I was speaking about job changes, new /content/, races, etc, not dungeons patch schedules lol. Like as I said, when SMN was new and I was hoping for a bigger egi people would say lore prevents it- such I said okay how about we have this battery like mechanic in the job where you build up energy and then you can summon bigger stuff, like for example we can use the recently released bahamut aether as part of it. Like... a trance... a dreadwyrm trance...

I somehow viciously doubt you predicted the removal of Kaiten or the fact that the devs would be so careless as to make a massive change to any job in the middle of the patch cycle, but maybe that's just me. First thing to come to mind. And even if you could predict it: Okay? Good for you? I'm sure this proves much.

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HisShadow, is that you again? How's this alt treating you?

[Hysorn]

Sometimes, I mean, the Living Dead changes basically included every single point people wanted out of it even if it took a long time. Other times however, it feels like they just get a bit tone deaf and go the WoW dev team route of "We understand the concern but we think our way works better" which is a 50/50 on whether it is actually better.

[MilkieTea]

A problem that could easily be solved by SE doing bare minimum moderation of their forums, which they clearly do not do. If they even don't do that then I don't know why people think they are listening.

... and that has what, exactly, to do with what I said to colt?

[Skiros]

Raiders and high end players ALWAYS whine that their feedback isnt heard, even in WoW where the game literally caters to them and treats casuals as 4th class citizens they still whine.

That often happens because due to clearing high end content they feel their opinion has more value and get mad when the devs ignore them to focus on casual and solo content aka the people who are paying the bills.

WoW didnt fail because it didnt listen to its high end raiders, it failed cause it kept treating its casual player base worse and worse with Shadowlands being the epitome of treating casuals like 4th class citizens and giving them trash gear for reward and barely any casual and solo content, FF14 is thankfully not doing the same mistake and Yoshi P. even said he ll try focus more on solo casual players thankfully.

If you want a hardcore high end raiding game go play wow, dont try to ruin this game for casuals

Sorry didn't realize Hrothgar hairstyles, personal housing, fleshed out Island Sanctuary, better anti-cheat measures are all hardcore feedback.

[Fukuro]

I've heard a similar urban legend from the JP side that they only listen to western feedback. So if both sides have the same urban legend, it kinda goes to show that they don't listen to anyone.

People might think so because moderators are more active in the Japanese Forums, while they are practically non-existent here. Even the German forum had a moderator reassuring people that suggestions get forwarded in some posts. Still, it always struck me that complains went through better over there… I mean they changed the design of Sage‘s job icon because it seemed to trigger some Japanese players.

[Fukuro]

Sorry didn't realize Hrothgar hairstyles, personal housing, fleshed out Island Sanctuary, better anti-cheat measures are all hardcore feedback.

TBH i‘d say about 90% of the complains are from a more casual crowd - me included. I‘d add healers overhaul as a casual request too on your list, since it‘s deadass boring unless you do hardcore content (Ultimate).

Healers have not always been this way, what are you on? Literally compare stuff like arr whm or sch to now. There is a very noticeable difference from how healers were to how they are now.

Agree. I mean if you compare Scholar to now, it had no overblown healing kit, it got stripped of many cool DPS skills (Bane, Shadowflare, 3 dots and now 1). Playing it back then felt much more rewarding and was actually distinct from the other healer roles.

[BrokentoothMarch]

Sometimes, I mean, the Living Dead changes basically included every single point people wanted out of it even if it took a long time. Other times however, it feels like they just get a bit tone deaf and go the WoW dev team route of "We understand the concern but we think our way works better" which is a 50/50 on whether it is actually better.

Six. Entire. Years.

If this is the standard I should be okay with, then I'll just unsub now.

[Shougun]

I somehow viciously doubt you predicted the removal of Kaiten or the fact that the devs would be so careless as to make a massive change to any job in the middle of the patch cycle, but maybe that's just me. First thing to come to mind. And even if you could predict it: Okay? Good for you? I'm sure this proves much.



HisShadow, is that you again? How's this alt treating you?

I didn't lol, but I'm not sure what kind of point you're making to me specifically.

I said I feel they've listened to me, specifically, and other feedback from others I've seen, that or I have made a lot of specific guesses that came about later. Some I can easily imagine are coincidence, but I feel too many to all be as such.

I've never made any feedback for Kaiten.... Is your point they don't listen to feedback because of those things you listed?