Public Discussion: Community Feedback - Is it being heard?

[Fukuro]

Sorry didn't realize Hrothgar hairstyles, personal housing, fleshed out Island Sanctuary, better anti-cheat measures are all hardcore feedback.

TBH i‘d say about 90% of the complains are from a more casual crowd - me included. I‘d add healers overhaul as a casual request too on your list, since it‘s deadass boring unless you do hardcore content (Ultimate).

Healers have not always been this way, what are you on? Literally compare stuff like arr whm or sch to now. There is a very noticeable difference from how healers were to how they are now.

Agree. I mean if you compare Scholar to now, it had no overblown healing kit, it got stripped of many cool DPS skills (Bane, Shadowflare, 3 dots and now 1). Playing it back then felt much more rewarding and was actually distinct from the other healer roles.

[BrokentoothMarch]

Sometimes, I mean, the Living Dead changes basically included every single point people wanted out of it even if it took a long time. Other times however, it feels like they just get a bit tone deaf and go the WoW dev team route of "We understand the concern but we think our way works better" which is a 50/50 on whether it is actually better.

Six. Entire. Years.

If this is the standard I should be okay with, then I'll just unsub now.

[Soge01]

Still waiting to hear something about the Samurai feedback. Guessing we'll have to wait till 6.2 gets announced.

[BrokentoothMarch]

"Unanimous" among a small group of people who happen to post on the forums in a thread dedicated to a particular complaint does not mean anything "unanimous" for the actual playerbase.

Oh, I'm sorry your own arbitrary, obscure, and ultimately meaningless standard for unanimity is unmet. By that logic, why complain about anything? Shut it all down. Nobody's allowed to complain until we've achieved 100% hivemind agreement because we haven't met... Squints "Striker44"s personal belief of what constitutes enough complaining people that has gone for nearly a decade.

Do excuse my ignorance, Your Majesty.

I'd hope my contempt shined through. You don't see, hear, and take part in multi-year complaints just to see this drivel and be okay with it.

[Kes13a]

Oh, I'm sorry your own arbitrary, obscure, and ultimately meaningless standard for unanimity is unmet. By that logic, why complain about anything? Shut it all down. Nobody's allowed to complain until we've achieved 100% hivemind agreement because we haven't met... Squints "Striker44"s personal belief of what constitutes enough complaining people that has gone for nearly a decade.

Do excuse my ignorance, Your Majesty.

I'd hope my contempt shined through. You don't see, hear, and take part in multi-year complaints just to see this drivel and be okay with it.

its hardly arbitrary that the percentage of the player base that actually posts on the forums is VERY small in terms of the actual game playerbase.

you can complain here, and spent every day for the last 10 years complaining here.. and you are one person. I would say that there are maybe, at best, 1000 people that regularily post here. and thats likely a lot more than actually do. since you are obviously brilliant given your contemptuous response, I will let you do the math to see how much of the player base that actually is.

[BrokentoothMarch]

its hardly arbitrary that the percentage of the player base that actually posts on the forums is VERY small in terms of the actual game playerbase.

you can complain here, and spent every day for the last 10 years complaining here.. and you are one person. I would say that there are maybe, at best, 1000 people that regularily post here. and thats likely a lot more than actually do. since you are obviously brilliant given your contemptuous response, I will let you do the math to see how much of the player base that actually is.

It's arbitrary when you consider most the playerbase doesn't engage here. When they see what they don't like in the game, they simply leave. Oh how quickly we forget that it's by the dev's admission that this is the truth. Yet it vanishes from you people's memory the moment it runs counter to praising the game unending.

"Just you". I can't navigate the forums for you. If you're truly so ignorant as to the common complaints that stretch as far back as Stormblood, I can only applaud your density and hope you continue to enjoy this game on your own grounds. As long as you have yours, nobody else matters, after all. We've had one of the largest losses of players after the WoW exodus with people dismissing it as "There's always a drop in players after enough time in expansions." True enough, but am I to believe that returning to the normal lull after an at least doubling of our populations is normal? I'd hesitate to call this the death of the game, but clearly something is wrong if it pushes away borderline the same amount of people and some change we got in the exodus.

[MilkieTea]

It's arbitrary when you consider most the playerbase doesn't engage here. When they see what they don't like in the game, they simply leave. Oh how quickly we forget that it's by the dev's admission that this is the truth. Yet it vanishes from you people's memory the moment it runs counter to praising the game unending.

"Just you". I can't navigate the forums for you. If you're truly so ignorant as to the common complaints that stretch as far back as Stormblood, I can only applaud your density and hope you continue to enjoy this game on your own grounds. As long as you have yours, nobody else matters, after all. We've had one of the largest losses of players after the WoW exodus with people dismissing it as "There's always a drop in players after enough time in expansions." True enough, but am I to believe that returning to the normal lull after an at least doubling of our populations is normal? I'd hesitate to call this the death of the game, but clearly something is wrong if it pushes away borderline the same amount of people and some change we got in the exodus.

I hesitate to ask, lest I draw your ire but... where are you getting these numbers?

[Mosha]

It's arbitrary when you consider most the playerbase doesn't engage here. When they see what they don't like in the game, they simply leave. Oh how quickly we forget that it's by the dev's admission that this is the truth. Yet it vanishes from you people's memory the moment it runs counter to praising the game unending.

"Just you". I can't navigate the forums for you. If you're truly so ignorant as to the common complaints that stretch as far back as Stormblood, I can only applaud your density and hope you continue to enjoy this game on your own grounds. As long as you have yours, nobody else matters, after all. We've had one of the largest losses of players after the WoW exodus with people dismissing it as "There's always a drop in players after enough time in expansions." True enough, but am I to believe that returning to the normal lull after an at least doubling of our populations is normal? I'd hesitate to call this the death of the game, but clearly something is wrong if it pushes away borderline the same amount of people and some change we got in the exodus.

You are really obnoxious tbh I wouldn't listen to your feedback just to spite you if I was dev.

[BrokentoothMarch]

You are really obnoxious tbh I wouldn't listen to your feedback just to spite you if I was dev.

Good thing professional environments don't hire petulant, short-sighted and overgrown children. Let's break down the source of frustration since apparently you have the logical reasoning of a raw fish and need it done for you:
>People make a request of the state of a certain thing after an overhaul
>It gets ignored for a year and some change.
>The opinions grow more unified, creating a massive mega-thread and even beginning to spill over in other area.
>You continue to ignore it for a few more years.
>One of their questions, formatted and rather politely constructed, makes it to your table on a PR stint.
>You insult all of them. You tell them to get lost.

And now you feel in the right to spite people who might be a bit pissed off you spat in their face earlier? Ignoring the fact that you really shouldn't be spiting the people that, y'know, give you money, you probably shouldn't feel in the right to also spite people you've actively told to f- off. But no. The only thing that matters is you. As long as you get your way, player or dev, screw everyone else. This is that attitude that I'm sick of from the both of you. If you think I was always this abrasive, you're a developmental failure. There was a time I was a lot nicer when trying to make my points, much like how there was a time the frustrations weren't so loud and infectious. But you've not only the nerve to continue ignoring it, but you go on to think you're in the right to spite people you would wrong in this scenario.

Get bent, loser.

[DixieBellOCE]

If feedback was actually looked at, Eureka wouldnt be a bot infest RMT farm 24/7.

Square enix really don't care, they are just making $$$$