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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphe2449 View Post
    If you care about justice you wouldnt be defending hydealin's genocide of the ancients, if you care about prevention of suffering you again cant defend Hydaelin's sundered creation that is filled with it which is far more than the sundered parodies.
    Moral disagreements are tricky. I think we can disagree on what is the right course of action without being dismissive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphe2449 View Post
    Unless they regained their godlike by the the end they are still inferior and many times weaker than they were before, some personal realization about life does not compensate for loss of LITERALLY godlike powers.

    Why? It doesnt matter how smart or wise you feel you are, if you can get casually smitten out of existence by a being with magical powers that lives forever you simply cannot compete because you cannot attain that level of power, especially considering your extremely limited lifespan.
    So the only thing that matters is being powerful? There’s no end goal behind that? Might makes right and all?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphe2449 View Post
    World is filled with conflict and people fighting and hating each other unlike the far more united society of the ancients who even when they had disagreements it didnt result in cycles of war and death and hatred.
    That is because just like real life the fact remains, he who has power can do whatever to the one who does not, which often leads to things like Garleans who even without Emet Selch would inevitably try to get revenge for the crimes they suffered in the past if they ever found a power, so would the beast tribes and many other nations
    This is a pretty pessimistic view of humanity I will say. If the only thing preventing someone from being a monster is getting what he wants, then I’d say they are a child throwing a tantrum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphe2449 View Post
    And if we are to be honest, this is a video game, in reality you would never just barge into Ishgard, a place where the populace lives under huge delusions and cult level historical knowledge and suddenly make everyone friends with their enemies, fundamental delusions such as those take GENERATIONS to be removed who suffered unjust acts in their relatively recent history.
    I do remember the game going to the great lengths to show how difficult the change was so I’m not sure this is an accurate description.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphe2449 View Post
    And that is a statement with no evidence, the Ancients were a heavy research focused civilization, meaning if a change was needed they would accept it, just like they accepted sacrificing half their number to protect the star.
    They would accept being Sundered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphe2449 View Post
    People need to stop confusing "we need to build things back after a worldwide catastrophy" with "attachments and refusal to change".
    I would suggest telling the Ancients and the writers that then friend. They seem to disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ralphe2449 View Post
    If you home gets devastated you dont just accept it and stay homeless, you try to build it back up to how it was with possibly some improvements

    Immortality, godlike powers of creation and having thousands of years do make that a certainty, they might have even found a superior solution.
    Sure rebuilding is important. But so is remembering the event and trying your best to help others. The third sacrifice, as well as the statements of the Ancients through ShB and EW do not indicate that they were doing that.
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    Last edited by EaraGrace; 05-15-2022 at 06:03 PM.