Learn your history lesson: Witch Hunts DO cause innocents to be banned

[Avenger]

This is the solely reason why I am hesistant to engage on savage raiding altogether,

I don’t anyone to dictate my DPS meter, tank percentage or healing burst statistics whatever etc., just follow the mechanics accordingly & have fun,

Being a console player made me far appreciate the game as it is & I just can’t be bothered to have more additional assets that would over eclipse my idea of fun & make it a chore due to supremacy’s sake.

I left WoW because of that & while not surprised, it’s disheartening certain individuals still resorts into engaging on such activities that which upset them enough once upon being caught.

Why not just play the game as it is?

If none of this is relevant to you then why are you concerning yourself with this at all? This goes for all the non raiders in all of these threads.

If I'm understanding it correctly, there is some nuance to what Vencio is saying here that should not be dismissed out of hand: 1) that as a console player and someone who wants to play the game as designed, Vencio finds the prevalence of mods in FFXIV raid groups to be alienating, and 2) that the mod-based/DPS meter raiding culture in WoW led Vencio to quit that game because it destroyed the fun.

It might be a good idea to get back onto the original thread topic though, as there are lots of threads debating the pros and cons of mods, etc..

[Jaquan]

The point being, is it's not just a parser you would be approving. It also includes all add-ons (from within) ACT that you can get.
CB can announce how to handle mechanics before you even see them on the screen for example, most prevalent is UCOB handling Nael Mechanics or UWU handling Titan Gaols.
There's quick setup guides on youtube. So I'm just saying, if you say yes to ACT, you are equally saying yes to CB because CB NEEDS ACT to even work and CB is largely considered one of the main cheating tools.
Unless for some reason you believe that we should trust the playerbase to not take advantage of ACT in it's fullest once if it is "approved".

Keep in mind that if I'm recalling correctly Neverend also programmed call outs into their ACT as they went on. You may argue that since they had to do it themselves it doesn't matter but ultimately it would speed their progress.

Some of them probably are but just want to virtue signal.

Pot meet kettle. Aren't you basically doing the same?

[Avenger]

I put a gun to everyone's head that actively use mods and told them to stfu about using mods. They all complied and there was great rejoicing and even a standing ovation. I was given keys to the city and YoshiP personally thanked me for ending the fiasco and even went as far as allowing me to name my future firstborn after him.

...and then I woke up.


Sorry for the snark but the usage of the word "literally" correct or not causes me to have a verbal seizure. Literally.

Canadane is undoubtedly a font of FFXIV wisdom and "literally" seems to be accurate (if perhaps unnecessary) in responding to "hide your mod usage." But I still laughed at SenorPatty's response even though it in no way refutes Canadane's point.

Overuse of "to be honest" (do I usually lie? It should probably be "to be frank" or perhaps "to be brutally honest") and of "literally" (especially when used ironically or hyperbolically to mean "figuratively" or as a meaningless intensifier - thankfully not in this case) are terrible vices that have somehow wormed their way into my brain. Figuratively.

[SenorPatty]

Canadane is undoubtedly a font of FFXIV wisdom and "literally" seems to be accurate (if perhaps unnecessary) in responding to "hide your mod usage." But I still laughed at SenorPatty's response even though it in no way refutes Canadane's point.

Overuse of "to be honest" (do I usually lie? It should probably be "to be frank" or perhaps "to be brutally honest") and of "literally" (especially when used ironically or hyperbolically to mean "figuratively" or as a meaningless intensifier - thankfully not in this case) are terrible vices that have somehow wormed their way into my brain. Figuratively.

I'm reading this and I'm giggling a little bit too but you're right about two things: I didn't actually answer properly and Canadane is one of the few voices of reason so I'll answer properly. Before that though, I need to get this out of the way: there are people who are going to consider any form of modding a cheat. I'm not here to argue that but I will say that I have my own definitions as well and as such when I use the word "mod" here, I refer to mods that do not directly impact someone else (like gshade or hat mod for viera/hrotgar).

I'm not encouraging cheating or to hide cheating, as Canadane literally(ugh, spasms). I'm encouraging modders--who are not going to stop modding no matter what anyone says--to be quiet about usage. That also includes broadcasting it, streaming it, showing it to public. Every year, for some reason, someone just can't help themselves and they go a step further and every year, SE and YoshiP have to be like "Guys, please cmon, don't make do this." And the faceless mob that have a hateboner for all things modding are cackling with a maniacal laugh and can't wait to (socially) execute those they manage to catch.

So yeah, if you feel like all modding is cheating, then I can't stop you from feeling that I'm encouraging people to cheat. If you want to ask me which mods/tools I think that cheat or not, that's unfortunately not a discussion that I would engage here on the forums.

[Grebeny]

He had suspended his account once for using straight up cheating mods. He did this again. People may be harrasing him from a long time, but so far SE didn't took action as far as he was using only the small addons that most players use. He got banned this time, suspiciously when he was using the exact same mods that were used by the other banned streamers.

Let me tell you how Square Enix works. I did some missbihavior in one feast match by spamming "hello" after a guy stopped playing and started spaming it. Less than 24 hours I got warning (not automated) by square enix explaining me pretty clear what exactly happened and why I got warning (I believe the guy that started the toxicisity got suspended for 10 days). So from my expirience, you don't need mass report, only one is enough and if they see error, they react. This guy got his account suspended once for using addons giving him unfair advantage, he did it again, no tears shared.

[Jason_Ashford]

If I'm understanding it correctly, there is some nuance to what Vencio is saying here that should not be dismissed out of hand: 1) that as a console player and someone who wants to play the game as designed, Vencio finds the prevalence of mods in FFXIV raid groups to be alienating, and 2) that the mod-based/DPS meter raiding culture in WoW led Vencio to quit that game because it destroyed the fun.

It might be a good idea to get back onto the original thread topic though, as there are lots of threads debating the pros and cons of mods, etc..

to be fair, mods were kind of required in WoW. the UI is dogshit and Blizzard has made zero efforts on their part to fix the problem.

FFXIV by comparison is significantly better, if not a little dated. the 14 devs already have plans to update and improve the UI, so they're already in a much better position than the WoW team ever was

[IdowhatIwant]

The point being, is it's not just a parser you would be approving. It also includes all add-ons (from within) ACT that you can get.
CB can announce how to handle mechanics before you even see them on the screen for example, most prevalent is UCOB handling Nael Mechanics or UWU handling Titan Gaols.
There's quick setup guides on youtube. So I'm just saying, if you say yes to ACT, you are equally saying yes to CB because CB NEEDS ACT to even work and CB is largely considered one of the main cheating tools.
Unless for some reason you believe that we should trust the playerbase to not take advantage of ACT in it's fullest once if it is "approved".

Doesn't cactbot just call out the mechanics and show you a timer for them. I can do the same thing by having a guide pulled up with a timer on a second monitor. Because everything is so heavily scripted in these boss fight's you don't really need cactbot to know what is coming up. The only thing I could see this helping with would be world first races, but you would still have to program in the triggers in order to get any use from it. So if no one has seen the fight, no one can put the triggers in. Every one is over worried that these sort of mods are going to ruin the game. The only way these mods will ruin the game is if the developers start basing the fights off the assumption everyone is using cactbot, which is never going to happen.

Here is an example of a guide that shows all timers for when mechanics will go off. https://www.akhmorning.com/raids/p2s/#timeline
You still have to know what to do, and what you are doing which still requires some form of skill.

I am curious if it works with mechanics that are RNG based?

Over all the simplest solution is put some of this stuff in the game. Give players a personal DPS meter, put some of the common UI mods in (hopefully this one will actually happen but SE will find a way to mess it up.

[Grebeny]

Doesn't cactbot just call out the mechanics and show you a timer for them. I can do the same thing by having a guide pulled up with a timer on a second monitor.

Even if you have timer and guide, human error is a huge factor. Delay in calls, mistakes, there are mechanics that the thing call out exactly what version it is instantly, that is absolutely not possible for human. Pretty much it is exactly what cheating is :P

[IdowhatIwant]

Even if you have timer and guide, human error is a huge factor. Delay in calls, mistakes, there are mechanics that the thing call out exactly what version it is instantly, that is absolutely not possible for human. Pretty much it is exactly what cheating is :P

Human error can still happen with perfect call outs too... so again, how is it cheating when I can do the same thing with a second monitor with out the use of an in game add on.

[Havenchild]

Human error can still happen with perfect call outs too... so again, how is it cheating when I can do the same thing with a second monitor with out the use of an in game add on.

Stop trying to play dumb. Having a mechanic called out for you before it even shows up on the screen is significantly affecting gameplay for everyone. Literally a mechanic like Naels speech is entirely eroded to nothing since no one needs to check the chat queues, something the fight was designed around. If one person does these callouts for the group, great but there is still a human that needs to not only check, but make the correct callout WHILE handling mechanics and positioning themselves correctly.

Hell if you watch most streamers, if you ever see them attempt the Nael mechanic without callouts, you'll see how much they mess up consistently compared to when they have them. And that's the decisive difference.