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    FinnReid's Avatar
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    Xander Reid
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    Malboro
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    Monk Lv 80
    Hoping Ninja gets toned down. Once you get to diamond and crystal, they become a huge problem and it starts to show how overloaded their kits are. Whoever decided it should have a self-chaining stun and mid combat stealth might want to rethink that
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    Silvorin Skycrest
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    Brynhildr
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    Archer Lv 100
    I haven't read anything other then the last page but going off the title, I agree.
    To that, some job are just to weak. Sure they might bring a damage increase (Bard) but when some jobs can kill you in a combo, that damage increase doesn't bring anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prrringles View Post
    I 100% agree with this. Also the DoT's keep ticking through your shield (so full dmg).. So if you received them before popping your shield you will still take massive dmg or even die lol. Those DoT's should not stack but rather refresh the duration once reapplied if you ask me.. 6 seconds duration with 9k potency if just broken.

    Their whole melee combo does 49k dmg (31k melee and 18k DoT) and heals them for 18k. I am even excluding their rush attack which also has 4k potency and increases dmg on the target by 10% for 7sec......RDM are busted.
    I won't say busted but is very strong. I also love..not. Rdm get dots but bard whom is known for it dot in pve, doesn't in pvp. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by FinnReid View Post
    Hoping Ninja gets toned down. Once you get to diamond and crystal, they become a huge problem and it starts to show how overloaded their kits are. Whoever decided it should have a self-chaining stun and mid combat stealth might want to rethink that
    I've have seen a lot more ninja in casual. They are deadly. I'm use bard again as i've pvp that job the most. As a bard, you wont win many, if any 1v1 but most time you can put up a fight to keep them busy. Ninja destroy you I've been finding..
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    Grinning Serpent
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    Maduin
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    Culinarian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by FinnReid View Post
    Hoping Ninja gets toned down. Once you get to diamond and crystal, they become a huge problem and it starts to show how overloaded their kits are. Whoever decided it should have a self-chaining stun and mid combat stealth might want to rethink that
    NIN is completely fine. They don't do well in brawls compared to SAM MNK GNB and they lose a ton of their damage if you force them to burn mudras on Huton or Meisui for defense. Shukuchi is almost completely ineffective as a mid-combat stealth due to server tickrate (it's exactly the same as WoW's "Vanish bug"), being pretty much only just a repositioning tool and *maybe* they can get the Assassinate off if they hit it instantly. I don't think Shukuchi needs changes, though - I think being unreliable in combat is fine. Maybe they even gave NIN two different defense ninjutsus for that reason? NIN is entirely about skirmishing until they can go in for the kill with Mug-Bunshin-Assassinate-Aeolian Edge or with their LB, but timing the LB is very tricky unless they're pretty much dead already... in which case MNK Meteodrive is just a flatly better version of that because it charges faster. If you ignore NIN and let them constantly peck away at your back line... yeah, they're a hassle. But if you sit on them, they will struggle to do much more than throw daggers and mudra at people, and that can be healed through without too much trouble. Very good class, but there is plenty of counterplay. Counterplay to NIN is very reliant around recognizing their cooldowns. Almost all of their meaningful damage is in their mudra charges (2, each 15 sec) and Bunshin combos (5 charges, 30 sec.) If Bunshin has been used, NIN has almost no kill potential compared to any other melee. Meanwhile, MNK and GNB pretty much never *stop* dealing damage, it's just less bursty than NIN's is.

    BRD doesn't need buffs. They're not overpowered, but they are quite close right now. I'd like to see Heroes' Fantasia not require LOS, and in exchange maybe reduce the silence to 2 sec (since LB is now a guaranteed buff to the team instead of "whoops the idiot DPS walked around the corner even after I signalled I was using it") with a slight potency boost. I think a LOT of people underestimate how important damage up/down effects are in CC, probably because in low skill games people just get blown up while being stunlocked because people don't know how to position themselves or initiate properly. At higher skill levels, those buffs are incredibly important. Remember, BRD+SCH/AST is pretty much *+20%* damage for your entire team with pretty much permanent uptime as long as the group is in combat. That's an absolutely monstrous swing in your team's favor.

    I do agree that RDM is still a little overtuned. Not overpowered, but they're definitely a bit stronger than they ought to be. Their LB basically ignoring Guard due to how it works (as well as their dot) is the biggest issue and should be remedied. The potency probably doesn't need changing, just changing its operation so that it doesn't "ignore" Guard.
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