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  1. #191
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    Kenky's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    I assume you meant TEA because this never happened with Dragonsong. Granted, it didn't with TEA either but at least the accusations were present. In both fights, people datamined the debuffs, which offers nothing more than an icon. They didn't make triggers based on any of these datamines because that isn't how triggers work. ACT straight up doesn't even function whenever new battle content releases, including Ultimate. Secondly, they can't make a trigger without know precisely what the game is relaying from the server. This necessitates actually seeing the mechanic themselves and performing it. The sole exception would be simple things like "in/out". Even then, you still need the aforementioned code due to say, Gnashing and Lash being different than Dyanmo and Chariot. At least in terms of how you'd write a trigger for it.

    People who have absolutely no idea how these programs work should really stop talking about them. If you want to criticise their existence or what have you, by all means. That's entirely fair game. Just stop making wild assumptions on their functionality.

    Then do -YOU- know why there were audio ques playing on certain people streams despite not being part of the fight? Seems pretty suspect. I will admit I don't know much about ACT myself, outside of it being a "damage meter" of sorts. But the fact it interacts with game information makes it punishable to use. While ACT itself may not have been the most "serious" of 3rd-party assistance.

    The audio-ques played through a bot (which can be done. Plenty of people have done it prior with look-away mechanics as early as ARR) is certainly crossing the line, despite it being nothing more than another indicator of "Do the Mechanic." Your claim that 'People dont know until they do the fight' is ignoring the people who actively cracked into the files to find the strings.

    Square Enix brought attention to this in their response. Actively calling out Dataminers. They wouldn't do that if there was no reason to.

    3rd-party tools that interact with the game is a no-no. SE has shown to be "don't show, don't tell." If you don't broadcast that you're going against ToS, SE has no reason to investigate. But Streamers actively show they are violating ToS by being live. As such, people will definitely report them and SE will be required to investigate. This is how this entire thing blew up. The amount of people claiming SE is changing its rules clearly didn't read the ToS themselves.

    And lastly, before anyone decides to claim they need ACT for whatever reason, you don't. You really don't. All of the defenses for it (with the exception of self-improvement) is questionable at best. SE even created this weird place that has been around since Heavensward (I think?) called Stone, Sea and Sky. Y'know. The place where you can go and practice against a target that performs some of the mechanics in the fight, while also seeing if you can reach enough personal DPS to pass.
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    Last edited by Kenky; 05-13-2022 at 09:28 AM.

  2. #192
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
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    SSS is literally a target dummy. it does not allow you to practice any mechanics, whatsoever. It is also a poor indication of the DPS required since many have been proven to be either UNDERTUNED or OVERTUNED for different jobs, and they don't take raid buffs into consideration which is important for certain jobs (like DNC.) The only thing dataminers leak are models of things to come in the game and maybe debuff symbol. That was even cited in the letter by YoshiP. You literally cannot datamine mechanics because they are not included in the game data installed on someone's system.

    No one would ever claim a parser is needed to play the game, or any game. But you remember how YoshiP said recently that higher skilled players should be more willing to help lower skilled players clear hard content? How do you think the higher skilled players got to be as good as they are? What allowed them to see the nuances of their roles so they know better about when you use certain abilities, or when to save charges for raid buffs, or what is the optimal rotation to play the job? Unless you use a parser there is NO WAY in the game to know what damage you are doing. At all, period. Parsers allow players to compare their performance to someone else and improve their gameplay. That is the primary use of them. You don't have to use them, no one does, but not everyone is going to play for the same reasons you do. Some people actually value being good at the game, some people absolutely value beign the best and that is perfectly OK. The toxic part is when people tell them they are wrong for wanting to be better than everyone else, because there is nothign wrong with wanting to be good.
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    Last edited by JudgeRAW; 05-13-2022 at 10:14 AM.

  3. #193
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    And lastly, before anyone decides to claim they need ACT for whatever reason, you don't. You really don't. All of the defenses for it (with the exception of self-improvement) is questionable at best. SE even created this weird place that has been around since Heavensward (I think?) called Stone, Sea and Sky. Y'know. The place where you can go and practice against a target that performs some of the mechanics in the fight, while also seeing if you can reach enough personal DPS to pass.
    SSS as it is, is very deserted & ineffective once you start touching jobs whose contributions aren’t solely coming from their own raw power. Namingly DNC, BRD, all healers and tanks. If they want to encourage players to use SSS then they have a lot homework to rehaul and improve its feature.

    SSS is a solo duty. rDPS reliant jobs like DNCs cannot receive esprit from a non-existent partner & buff an empty air: that’s essentially good amount of missed Saber Dances & their partner buff. Same with BRDs have no parties to buff with their perpetual songs. And yet they dominate the high end contents participation number together for obvious reasons while leaving MCH’s at very abysmal rate amongst the physical ranged roster.

    SSS is a dummy. They deal 0 damage. They let out 0 mechanic, unlike what you’ve wrote. This means the aspect of tank’s and healers’ cooldown planning are essentially axed, which in real practice is just as important as their personal damage contributions. No mechanics means even DPSes don’t get to be tested whether they can keep their rotations going at the face of on-going mechanic. Tanks still have their own simple rotation. But healers’ are basically gimped to a ”Can I spam this same button 3 minutes straight without falling asleep?”-challenge.

    All these only contributes to myself believing that they clearly did not put much thought into implementing this feature and instead it only acts as ”Hey, at least we did something, okay?”-defense to players who dislike SSS for valid reasons.
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  4. #194
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivalice_Lover View Post
    You’re in luck; someone made a supercut of the vod

    https://youtu.be/78T92RoivZc
    Better save this, he'll DMCA it

    This might be one of the funniest streamer comps I've ever seen. LMFAO

    The thing is, what he's saying about the way they handled the add-on bans isn't really wrong. But he's getting so emotional everyone is just laughing at him. I wish someone had hit him with the "the human eye can only see 24 fps" his head might have exploded. The empathy line really got under his skin. He's extremely insecure.
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    Last edited by Klytania; 05-13-2022 at 11:59 AM.

  5. #195
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivalice_Lover View Post
    You’re in luck; someone made a supercut of the vod

    https://youtu.be/78T92RoivZc
    the nintendo snaps are spicey
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  6. #196
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klytania View Post
    Better save this, he'll DMCA it

    This might be one of the funniest streamer comps I've ever seen. LMFAO

    The thing is, what he's saying about the way they handled the add-on bans isn't really wrong. But he's getting so emotional everyone is just laughing at him. I wish someone had hit him with the "the human eye can only see 24 fps" his head might have exploded. The empathy line really got under his skin. He's extremely insecure.
    I don't like to talk crap about random people I don't know. Did he actually get banned?
    Also I like how he complained about spending thousands on WoW merchandise, but it looks like he did the same thing for FFXIV merch. Perhaps he should learn to not simp so much for certain games.
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  7. #197
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    Fun fact.

    This thread breaks the Witch hunting and harassment rules.

    Pyromancer didn't help himself, he did behave like a bit of a spoiled manbaby, but honestly, the fact this thread straight out breaks name and shame policy and is people dog piling a single person in the hopes of getting that person banned?

    Applause

    Well done community, you've fallen so very far, very fast.


    Best community? You're well on your way to Lost Ark tier at this rate.
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  8. #198
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    Quote Originally Posted by JanVanding View Post
    Fun fact.

    This thread breaks the Witch hunting and harassment rules.

    Pyromancer didn't help himself, he did behave like a bit of a spoiled manbaby, but honestly, the fact this thread straight out breaks name and shame policy and is people dog piling a single person in the hopes of getting that person banned?

    Applause

    Well done community, you've fallen so very far, very fast.


    Best community? You're well on your way to Lost Ark tier at this rate.
    Yeah honestly it's just funny that he was lauded when the meltdown was directed towards WoW. But now he's the villain because it's against this game. Yes, he was a bit too unhinged. But the double standards are astounding.
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  9. #199
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    Never heard of this guy before this thread but is he basically doing the same stuff as that Quantum TV guy when ppl started roasting him over his "review" of Elden Ring after he had a meltdown after only like 20 min of gameplay?
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  10. #200
    Player JanVanding's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobynDaBank View Post
    Yeah honestly it's just funny that he was lauded when the meltdown was directed towards WoW. But now he's the villain because it's against this game. Yes, he was a bit too unhinged. But the double standards are astounding.
    They need to realize, SE does make mistakes, the dev team does make mistakes. They are indeed human and sometimes, they have to be called out with valid criticism

    Acting like they've never ever done anything wrong ever and the world is perfect is absolutely crazy talk.

    And the worst part? The people dogpiling him don't even realize....

    While he may have committed one strike (Third Party Mods)

    They have committed Three in trying to drag him.

    Harassment, Witch Hunting, using Third Party (Twitch is a third party as is 4 and 5chan)

    If he got done, he'd get 10 days, they're looking at straight permaban for breaking three sections of the EULA.
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