WHM LB still charges too fast.

[Cheremia]

That explains why I see so many AST/SGE/SCH combos at higher ranks. Wait. No I don't.

I see a lot of other healers, i see more ASTS (i am one myself, thats besides the point) than WHMS at this point. Almost all matches have a sage, too.
Here and there, there's Schs too.

The thing is.
You like how whm plays, which is completely fair to like. I liked it too until i tried ast and have a blast with it and then, yesterday accidentally queued as whm and never felt so helpless without trying to laser as many people as possible.

Or:
You have heard whm is op.
Now, everybody who heard it plays it. To very varying results because JUST playing whm doesnt make you op or any useful. A bad whm is quite literally a detriment to the team more so than other classes.
May sound mean, but i have seen... whms not even having a lot of healing done JUST yesterday (can even provide screens if not believed lmao).
WHM is op tho right? So it going badly can't be whms fault since they can do everything and anything right?

It's the same for warriors.

Given, i have seen many people IN CRYSTAL allergic to recup or anything, they just take the death and i hate it.
There's a lot of problems with not being able to rank down is that the higher ranks will be polluted by people that got a lucky streak but that's neither here or there...
As Gserpent said, tier and rank has nothing to do with skill, i have seen many things where i wonder if they even pressed skills at ALL.

What i mean is:
WHM being called op makes more people play whm than the people that like playing whm (more power to them, there's not only people playing whm because its op. Heck, i thought i would even with nerfs until i tried something else and HAPPEN TO LIKE IT MORE WITH MY PLAYSTYLE!) and that is why there are so many around.
There's good ones and there's the ones that think whm will carry them.
If only people would look at the result screen and see that they basically don't help with being bad but... as said, neither here or there.

Have you guys even TRIED playing whm? If not, maybe you should. Knowing how something works makes it way easier to know the weaknesses of things.
Thats genuine advice. Give it honest tries and see how it works out and then you know that not being in a straight line makes whms lb pretty useless.

[Gserpent]

WHM's LB being so weak against high skill players, and the fact that WHM has virtually nothing going for it besides its LB and its 25 sec sheep cooldown, is what made me switch off and play other healers. It didn't help that they nerfed Misery for some stupid reason. Skilled players are going to be watching the enemy party list. They'll know when you have or are about to have LB and they will either immediately all swap to you and burst you into the dirt when you run out to try and position the laser, or they will simply never stack together until you've been forced to laser one or maybe two people, at which point your contribution to the game is pretty much over until your next LB.

Like, the difference between WHM and the other three healers is absurd. I am *always* doing something on AST and SCH. I'm constantly moving, constantly buffing or healing or adding damage. Honestly, I feel like WHM's Glare potency should be bumped to like 5500 if they're going to nerf Misery, just so that WHM gets *something* going for itself between LBs. Cure 2 having a cast time is also a huge problem. 12k per cast is pretty nice, but other healers are getting in the 8k range for an instant GCD, which is IMO a hell of a lot better.

Pumping 2 Cure 2's into someone is strong. But even then, AST can beat WHM if they really want to - each Benefic is 4000 potency (up to 8000 as they are lowered to 50% or less) plus 1000 regen. Double Casting it is another 4000-8000 potency plus another 4000 shield, and you can burn both Double Casts if you really need to. AST has the best single target healing output in the game, by a huge margin, and it's all instant. Hell, after the (unneeded) Macrocosmos buff, AST also has the option to nova for 28k damage every 30 sec before buffs (plus Heavy, Bind, and stacking Microcosmos buff.)

[Lymberey]

the fact that WHM has virtually nothing going for it besides its LB and its 25 sec sheep cooldown.
-"What? You wanted MORE?" Seriously? You got group dmg mitigation and strong group heal on 20s, two strong solo heals on 15s, Mini Foul on 15s, Targetable purify with 12k shield on 20s.

25 sec sheep cooldown
-Should even be 50s for how strong and pretty much a death sentence with precise execution.

It didn't help that they nerfed Misery for some stupid reason.
-Mini Foul (which is BLM LB mind you) every 15s from 30y away (which is also farther) 'Nuff said.

They will either immediately all swap to you and burst you into the dirt when you run out to try and position the laser
-Im very curious how i can/have to live with 25/5y and 7 gcds for LB while you cannot with 40/40y instant cast+stun for LB, which is far beyond any gap closer and cover many many corridors and the Crystal, with the same recharge rate.

They will simply never stack together
-Which means they wont be able to kill your teammates either unless they are all ranged. Also, the scattered opponent will easily get jumped on by 2 of your teammates. If someone is trying to help, BOOM! Laser now hit two of them creating a very advantageous situation for your team. Even more so with dmg, healing and regen buffs with 30y for 15s.

Until you've been forced to laser one or maybe two people
-Which is most likely kill one or both of them if your teammates are there with you creating a very advantageous situation for your team. Even more so with dmg, healing and regen buffs with 30y for 15s.

At which point your contribution to the game is pretty much over until your next LB.
-Group dmg mitigation and strong group heal on 20s, two strong solo heals on 15s, Mini Foul on 15s, Targetable purify with 12k shield on 20s.

If anything, Glare at 5K is already balanced. Also do not forget, WHM also have tons of range advantage with 4 of the spells being 30y and LB being 40y.

I don't have problem with bad WHMs, i always have problems with the good ones.

[Gserpent]

Go do that for the other three healers and you'll see how far short WHM is.

[Lymberey]

In fact, I found WHM to be extremely overloaded compared to AST which is conditional and micro heavy, SGE which lack range on burst (made up with 2 charges), healing capability, party buff and CC, and SCH which lack burst and CC.
None of the other three have non-purifiable hard CC, have no targetable purify, no hard CC aka stun, and for some reason, no instant AoE healing and group regen.
WHM lacks.... DoT....

Hmmm... they might have to nerf WHM more than just LB i guess.....

Play against good sages or Asts, or even sch, they hurt way more than a whm will.

Against AST? Yeah it hurts, but far less trouble some and much more manageable with no hard CC. SGE? No hard CC, SCH? No hard CC.
Good AST is scary, yes, but a lot more fun to play against. The clips you presented are very interesting cases of WHMs using their LB ineffectively, but I digress.
SCH and SGE can do very high overall DMG, so does Fire Mage, and I played both of them before, very much expected I would say.

Its not the problem with how much overall dmg a job can deal, its about how fast a job can deal the dmg, especially on top of hard CCs which also prevent guard and healing.

[Cheremia]

If anything, Glare at 5K is already balanced. Also do not forget, WHM also have tons of range advantage with 4 of the spells being 30y and LB being 40y.

I don't have problem with bad WHMs, i always have problems with the good ones.

May i interest you in AST being able to do 28k damage every 30 seconds?
16k every 15 seconds that also binds (won me games twice now)
You'd also like Balance, 10% for everybody hit for 15 secs?
May i interest you in spire, that boosts LB by quite a lot.
Heck, even ewer is very good in prolonged fights for the crystal if people use recup.

Good asts are scary as all hell because they nuke you.
Don't try to run away, macrocosmos has a 20 yalm range around me

I am kind of sad that i erase videos later and i don't pay that much attention anymore, but here are 3 prime examples of whms lb doing basically... nothing:
https://imgur.com/a/GVKXNqQ <- this is a folder
I can't censore names and nobody is talked bad about, please don't bully poor whms, this is just a showcase. And it shows nicely how good whms HAVE to line themself up very well for people not making out with each other or lining up perfectly.

I on the other hand, have a lot of little clips of gravity+macrocomos being very disrupting and getting people who think they can run away, it's super nice.

And you have a problem with good whms? Play against good sages or Asts, or even sch, they hurt way more than a whm will. And it's not their problem that they're good with the class they play.

Do you want me to bring out my psychopath spacedust hachacha gifs that don't even show all the carnage it can do easier? It does 12k damage after all by itself.

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Edit: Uh... h-how? Ast does so much damage and provides so much support in different ways
And sch has CC. In their dots that goes through guard. It gets sleeped on.

Please check my screenshots of an all healer vs all healer (featuring monks) and look how much damages sage and schs can do.

And what exactly is so overbloated? Protect? Sheep? As said, sheep should be purifyable and have the same tickrate as stun, that is true.
Whats SO overbloated? I read that so often and i kind of don't understand.
All they can do is good healing over time? I mean good for them.
It's 100% not damage what they can do a lot of tho.

[Gserpent]

Sheep is fine exactly as it is. People dying to it are just whining because they got punished for being out of position. They need to revert the nerf to Misery and probably make Aquaveil function like Warden's Paean, where it still provides an effect shield even if cast ahead of time. Cleansing is very hard with high GCD and very low tickrate and it makes Aquaveil pretty terrible unless you're leaving tons of empty GCDs to be ready to snipe something (and hope it's the right thing!)

Because right now, AST is undeniably the best healer and SCH is very close behind it. SGE is just a DPS with the wrong hue.

[Ransu]

2 of the 3 maps consist of mostly being wide open...there is no "out of position" when getting poly'd in the middle of a fight. People are "whining" because you can't f'ing purge it.

[Gserpent]

2 of the 3 maps consist of mostly being wide open...there is no "out of position" when getting poly'd in the middle of a fight. People are "whining" because you can't f'ing purge it.

You say this, and yet I literally never have this issue. Positioning isn't just "hide behind wall."

[Lymberey]

You say this, and yet I literally never have this issue. Positioning isn't just "hide behind wall."

I play mostly ranged job, I don't have that problem either.

Melee will always be "out of position" for 40y 30y 25y range spells, might as well remove all of them from the game. Its not like WHM has 0y 5y 5y for range.