WHM LB still charges too fast.

[Ransu]

WHM literally gets its LB every engagement. It charges WAY TOO FAST for how much utility it has. This isn't a change that should be waiting for a next big patch, its something that needs to be hotfixed immediately. Either significantly reduce the charge time or remove the stun from it.

[KageTokage]

I'm still not sure how the LB got a green light simply from comparing it to the other one minute LBs.

It immediately does 18K over an absurd radius and stuns people, allowing you potentially finish them off using the damage buff in conjunction with Seraph Strike and Afflatus Misery (In total it's around 35K burst damage in a GCD), and then it additionally regens around 20K HP to you and your team.

Comparatively, you've got:

- MNK which is either 12K unguardable damage + stun or 24K + stun, both accompanied by an atrocious animation delay that can easily get you killed.

- GNB, which can do over 30K AoE damage and stun...assuming people don't just CC you then run away while you spin in place unable to use Purify to get back in range for the finisher or just straight up die because you can't use recuperate.

- BLM and RPR, who practically need their LBs to have much presence on the battlefield in general as their burst is lacking otherwise.

[Raiu]

I'm still not sure how the LB got a green light simply from comparing it to the other one minute LBs.

It immediately does 18K over an absurd radius and stuns people, allowing you potentially finish them off using the damage buff in conjunction with Seraph Strike and Afflatus Misery (In total it's around 35K burst damage in a GCD), and then it additionally regens around 20K HP to you and your team.

Comparatively, you've got:

- MNK which is either 12K unguardable damage + stun or 24K + stun, both accompanied by an atrocious animation delay that can easily get you killed.

- GNB, which can do over 30K AoE damage and stun...assuming people don't just CC you then run away while you spin in place unable to use Purify to get back in range for the finisher or just straight up die because you can't use recuperate.

- BLM and RPR, who practically need their LBs to have much presence on the battlefield in general as their burst is lacking otherwise.

Not too sure about GNB. I know, I main GNB, but they have been so underpowered compared to other jobs in this mode.

[Ransu]

I'm still not sure how the LB got a green light simply from comparing it to the other one minute LBs.

It immediately does 18K over an absurd radius and stuns people, allowing you potentially finish them off using the damage buff in conjunction with Seraph Strike and Afflatus Misery (In total it's around 35K burst damage in a GCD), and then it additionally regens around 20K HP to you and your team.

Comparatively, you've got:

- MNK which is either 12K unguardable damage + stun or 24K + stun, both accompanied by an atrocious animation delay that can easily get you killed.

- GNB, which can do over 30K AoE damage and stun...assuming people don't just CC you then run away while you spin in place unable to use Purify to get back in range for the finisher or just straight up die because you can't use recuperate.

- BLM and RPR, who practically need their LBs to have much presence on the battlefield in general as their burst is lacking otherwise.

Ya I don't understand it either. It's getting to the point where I'm legitimately annoyed every time I get LB'd by a WHM because of how often I see it in a match. SAM LB is stupid broken, but at least I generally only see it once. WHM I see it practically every engagement.

[SnowVix]

- MNK which is either 12K unguardable damage + stun or 24K + stun, both accompanied by an atrocious animation delay that can easily get you killed.

If you're using Meteodrive without Pressure Pointing first, you're playing PvP monk wrong

[Darthgummibear]

You can increase the timer for WHM LB when you make resilience function. Current PvP is a dumpster fire and I'll take any legit advantage I can get.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

Yeah it'd be diferent if it was their only means of survival or something but they are able to constantly dps and ruin your day from a football field away. It's like they went "Hm SGE has Pneuma, better give WHM an instant castable better version of it." Like what.

[magzillas]

At a 60s recharge, I think the LB would be perfectly fine if it had no stun at all. I really question the playtesting that gave the thumbs-up to such a potent CC tool - on top of everything else the LB does - on a class that already has a uniquely uncounterable CC effect in polymorph.

Seems like they just kept adding more and more effects to it based on unique aspects of a PvE white mage, and then forgot to ask what cooldown would be reasonable for it.

Maybe I'd understand it more if WHMs were an underwhelming presence outside of their death laser, but they certainly aren't. If their LB is going to remain at 60s charge, it shouldn't stun, and if we're to insist that WHM needs the stun, the recharge should be much longer. As it stands, WHMs have this come up nearly every major engagement, and unless the WHM fires it off at one person standing off in Timbuktu with guard up, the impact is almost unfailingly tide-turning.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

At a 60s recharge, I think the LB would be perfectly fine if it had no stun at all.

Then it'd just be "miracle of nature, laser beam the field, delete person with follow up afflatus/dash attack.

I still don't understand why some classes have just literally NO cc and WHM can just screw your teams entire day up with no punishment from range. Same for the AOE silence/bind from RDM. When shit like that is in the game I don't understand how they thought "but SGE gets a shield sometimes" is balanced.

Either way I don't understand WHM's design. It's at the point where I feel at this point unless I change to WHM I'll never get the heck out of platinum. I can't counter a stun aoe laser beam on my team literally every fight because you can't go for the Whm because the team will gank you but if you go for the whm by the time you've cleared out the mob they can stall/screw you with aoe laser death. Even 1v1 it's kinda nonsense.

It's like they had no idea that CC would be....you know....super effective. "It's okay WHM here's a instant cast no punishment 12k damage (now 10k) damage button that for SGE to replicate has to be melee range to do that will surely get them killed unless they play super defensively" seems super legit when I have zero ways to defend myself lol.

[Xel]

They confused WHM and BLM when assigning awesome.

Believe it.