WHM LB still charges too fast.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

WHM has almost nothing besides sheep and its LB.

Citation Needed.

Cure 2 heals for a lot but it has a cast time (meaning it can and will be LOS'd by the person you are trying to heal as they try not to die to people attacking them.)

Aside from Fire Map I've literally never had this problem.

Seraph Strike requires you to put yourself in a vulnerable position

And as a risk/reward system acting as it should, gives you AOE PROTECT and then an instant cast AOE heal. If it didn't put you in a vulnerable position it'd be stupidly busted (more than it already kinda is).

they nerfed Misery's damage for some stupid reason.

They "nerfed" this because it's a free damage button that when combined with the LB meant LB > Misery could just one shot people every 60seconds. That's not good design and there's a million "stupid reasons" to not let that happen again.

Aquaveil would be fantastic in a game that didn't have low tickrate servers...

Having a second tool that not only cures ailments but provides a huge shield IS affected by servers but 95% of classes don't even have this secondary option so this is a moot point. You think Divine Veil is bad, try relying ONLY on purify. Lol. Servers being bad doesn't make having a second button to remedy ailments any less good. It instantly puts you ahead of a ton of classes.

WHM LB is fine.

Oh okay I guess we were concerned for nothing.

Pay attention to enemy party list, and don't stack up when the WHM has LB or is about to get it, or plan to Guard as you see them moving into position to fire the laser.

This is a subterranean take. "Just pay attention to LB charging every 60 seconds forehead." In a mode revolving around pushing/battling a specific point and moving it you're saying "Well just play defense and watch out every 60seconds constantly and you'll be fine." I can see a DRG LB go off and plan accordingly. I can even see chiten debuff and plan accordingly. There is zero warning for the LB until you're already stunned and what are you supposed to do in over time just hang back and watch them push? Or Guard and watch yourself get nuked by the enemy team just to get lb'd after guard goes off anyways? Or to get polymorphed and then lb'd anyways? What part of this is "fine"?

Honestly, WHM is kind of bad at high skill level right now because of the nerfs it got.

That explains why I see so many AST/SGE/SCH combos at higher ranks. Wait. No I don't.

[Gserpent]

That explains why I see so many AST/SGE/SCH combos at higher ranks. Wait. No I don't.

AST and SCH are far more common at high skill than WHM, because they are more flexible and less prone to being countered by the enemy team just not being... well, bad at the game.

Do note that tier has nothing to do with skill.

[Cheremia]

That explains why I see so many AST/SGE/SCH combos at higher ranks. Wait. No I don't.

I see a lot of other healers, i see more ASTS (i am one myself, thats besides the point) than WHMS at this point. Almost all matches have a sage, too.
Here and there, there's Schs too.

The thing is.
You like how whm plays, which is completely fair to like. I liked it too until i tried ast and have a blast with it and then, yesterday accidentally queued as whm and never felt so helpless without trying to laser as many people as possible.

Or:
You have heard whm is op.
Now, everybody who heard it plays it. To very varying results because JUST playing whm doesnt make you op or any useful. A bad whm is quite literally a detriment to the team more so than other classes.
May sound mean, but i have seen... whms not even having a lot of healing done JUST yesterday (can even provide screens if not believed lmao).
WHM is op tho right? So it going badly can't be whms fault since they can do everything and anything right?

It's the same for warriors.

Given, i have seen many people IN CRYSTAL allergic to recup or anything, they just take the death and i hate it.
There's a lot of problems with not being able to rank down is that the higher ranks will be polluted by people that got a lucky streak but that's neither here or there...
As Gserpent said, tier and rank has nothing to do with skill, i have seen many things where i wonder if they even pressed skills at ALL.

What i mean is:
WHM being called op makes more people play whm than the people that like playing whm (more power to them, there's not only people playing whm because its op. Heck, i thought i would even with nerfs until i tried something else and HAPPEN TO LIKE IT MORE WITH MY PLAYSTYLE!) and that is why there are so many around.
There's good ones and there's the ones that think whm will carry them.
If only people would look at the result screen and see that they basically don't help with being bad but... as said, neither here or there.

Have you guys even TRIED playing whm? If not, maybe you should. Knowing how something works makes it way easier to know the weaknesses of things.
Thats genuine advice. Give it honest tries and see how it works out and then you know that not being in a straight line makes whms lb pretty useless.

[Tobias_Azuryon]

WHM is op tho right? So it going badly can't be whms fault since they can do everything and anything right?.

This is a bizarre otherworldly reply to a conversation about the individual kits.

I can pull top damage as SGE that doesn't mean SGE has the best kit.

An exception doesn't disprove the rule, nor do bad players change the kit.

I have played WHM plenty and it's a million times easier to self sustain and group sustain while also providing a good stream of background support/utility.

Should we keep using anecdotal evidence only when it suits our own opinions or shall we go back to discussing the kit itself and the LB like we're supposed to?

But if they are all over the place, which happens a lot more, how will you use it?

Usually everytime it's up if it's something that can help secure a kill on even one person. That's the whole reason this thread exists. There is zero risk and all the reward for using this LB in every situation imaginable. 1 person or 5 people it doesn't matter, the LB is still good and becuase it comes up so fast there's no risk to just using it to kill or grief until it comes back up.

People being good with the class they play doesn't make said class op. Many people use WHM so badly that it's laughable just because it was deemed op day 3 of a new thing where nobody understood anything.

If two people are heading towards a destination and one is driving an automatic and one is driving a manual, the latter of which has never driven manual before, yes they'll fail despite driving the same model of car.

The false equivalence here is ignoring a 40y laser beam that can stun an entire group especially when in overtime you HAVE to be grouped up or risk losing the crystal.

So for every class if we can point out players who suck with it like you did with the WHM trying to "1o1 you" that means there is no problem with the kits then yeah? So doesn't the fact that the WHM couldn't kill you further prove your assessment of bad players vs saying the kit sucks? Or which is it? lol

We can't say "The kit is crap because no one can kill" and then in the same breath say "Well most WHM players suck" and assume there's no overlap.