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    CrownySuccubus's Avatar
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    The general impression is that the writers had the whole "The deaths of the Ancients was an acceptable, natural consequence of the rules of suffering and existence" moral in their heads and everything in Endwalker was shoehorned into that lesson, even if it contradicted past information. I think it was Paw Paw who said it here first, but it seems like the writers were afraid of having some Ancients oppose the third sacrifice because it would demonstrate that there were, indeed, Ancients who weren't "deserving" of being Sundered. It would leave questions of why Venat didn't spare them.

    We can't even go with a "The Sundering was indiscriminate and her allies were simply unfortunate" because the devs went on record and said Venat specifically spared Emet-Selch.

    The whole thing comes across to me like writing yourself into a corner, and then making a dozen MORE mistakes trying to write yourself out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa View Post
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    It's just strange how the """"unbiased"""" (according to the playerbase) Unending Codex just straight up erases the twelve people who wanted to stop the sacrifice, in line with the solo Venat-wank cutscene post-Elpis. Do the developers know that people have a memory and know that 5.2 happened? It was just puzzling since I wanted to see the perspective of these individuals... maybe have them be actually named. I suppose there is still a slight chance for this in the 24man story as it is meant to be an "epilogue" but I just don't know... they couldn't even really give us info about the full Convocation, and left 5 or so of them in the dust.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
    The general impression is that the writers had the whole "The deaths of the Ancients was an acceptable, natural consequence of the rules of suffering and existence" moral in their heads and everything in Endwalker was shoehorned into that lesson, even if it contradicted past information. I think it was Paw Paw who said it here first, but it seems like the writers were afraid of having some Ancients oppose the third sacrifice because it would demonstrate that there were, indeed, Ancients who weren't "deserving" of being Sundered. It would leave questions of why Venat didn't spare them.
    Even more strange since the Watcher, who was based off of a friend of Venat, says that there were Ancients who wanted to find the root cause of the Final Days, but it is left as one sentence. It's just annoying how we kept getting hints and snippets and fleeting fragments of a more complete story that isn't complete simpery, but is never delved into. Hey, maybe we can look forward to the next collab in some other game... or a side story tucked away somewhere. Somewhere next to the AU where our god-queen actually does the right thing and our friends can revel until dawn in peace and happiness again.
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyborne View Post
    Even more strange since the Watcher, who was based off of a friend of Venat, says that there were Ancients who wanted to find the root cause of the Final Days, but it is left as one sentence. It's just annoying how we kept getting hints and snippets and fleeting fragments of a more complete story that isn't complete simpery, but is never delved into.
    Perhaps this is more of a hint as to what Azem was doing during that time frame.
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    Tristain Archambeau
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyborne View Post
    It's just strange how the """"unbiased"""" (according to the playerbase) Unending Codex just straight up erases the twelve people who wanted to stop the sacrifice, in line with the solo Venat-wank cutscene post-Elpis. Do the developers know that people have a memory and know that 5.2 happened? It was just puzzling since I wanted to see the perspective of these individuals... maybe have them be actually named. I suppose there is still a slight chance for this in the 24man story as it is meant to be an "epilogue" but I just don't know... they couldn't even really give us info about the full Convocation, and left 5 or so of them in the dust.
    Even that is something I dread, because it'd just become more word vomit about her "love". Still hope they tie it to man's memory of the Convocation in some capacity or other, and don't link it to her.
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