SAM players are quitting

[Ryaz]

Correction, some SAMs on the forum are quitting. Most of us are still having fun and playing the game while everyone here acts like this is the worst MMO ever made.

[AsiTsurugi]

Correction, some SAMs on the forum are quitting. Most of us are still having fun and playing the game while everyone here acts like this is the worst MMO ever made.

Same question as I wanted to post to Naoki34. What "content" are you engaging with using samurai that you feel that the playstyle hasn't been fundamentally altered for the worse? Because that seems to make you think you are allowed to invalidate others' dissenting opinions. If people are "pretending" to be quitting, and your preferred content is in fact not affected by said proclamations by these people, what gives you the motivation to come in and invalidate others' feedback? And who is this "most of us" and exactly what content do these "most of us" engage in?

[ShanaShirayuki]

Correction, some SAMs on the forum are quitting. Most of us are still having fun and playing the game while everyone here acts like this is the worst MMO ever made.

Thanks for the bump I suppose, but who are you to question whether or not we're still enjoying the game? Better yet, I think it's best that I point out your hypocrisy as I've done with others such as Naoki34:

Pretty much. It's pretty much a bunch of disgruntled people threatening to quit every other day and talking about how the game is failing so horribly and is getting worse by the day... yet everything else indicates that the game is growing, most people are enjoying it.

But it's very normal for any official forum. Any change, outside of big damage buffs, is met with trepidation, fear and loathing most of the time, and anything added to the game usually gets fully ignored to focus on what may be missing. Aka, everyone here is a cynic.

I just put the worst of them on ignore. There are some good discussions that happen, but there are unfortunately too many who just end up being condescending or attack people for actually enjoying the game, flaws and all.

Look familiar? I suppose it should, considering it's coming from you. Not to mention you've conflated an entirely different subject in regards to the SAM changes and whether or not this game is good or bad. People can like the game and still give harsh criticism where it's needed; the two are not mutually exclusive. You say you don't agree with the Kaiten removal, but it seems you don't understand how much of an impact this has had on the class and its identity as a whole. I suggest you educate yourself by clicking on the links in my above post, or by looking at more recent threads in regards to Ultimate clears and the lack of SAM. Regardless, don't come in here and expect a warm welcome when all you've done is disparage the voices of those who do not like the change.

[CelestiCer]

Correction, some SAMs on the forum are quitting. Most of us are still having fun...

He's onto something
the new definition of Fun right here

What you, I and others enjoy varies. But, if players do not enjoy a certain part of the game? and the Dev's asked for feedback? no reason to shut that down. Here's some food for thought...

Fun doesn't equal -> Good Job design
Good Job design does equal -> more Fun then Bad Job design

Not rocket science... yet people can't grasp this.

If players only enjoy the icing off the cake, how can you criqitue the rest who enjoy the rest of the cake? The flaws of the rest of it will go unnoticed, at that point it requires... experienced pallets if you will. Then suddenly we're going deeper on what players enjoy.

Playing Samurai isn't just mindlessly flailing your sword, 1-handedly bashing buttons while watching netflix. Heck I can do that in large chunks of the MSQ spamming Hakaze and Hakaze only. Basing the enjoyment of Balance around this? makes zero sense since the Job design isn't pushed to its limits for this content to challenge it's balancing for fun.

If players keep discrediting experienced players, on why their job isn't fun? It most likely means they probably have not engaged in high-end content nor do they care not to. Or they do not care about the Job depth at all. If you have fun that way, great. But invalidating the other opinions simply cause you are having fun? How much of a suck up do you have to be? I don't go to Google Search everyday and make sure I mail Google how much of their ass I have to kiss.

• FFXIV is great yes
• Sam is fun sure
• Sam was better
• Sam can be better
• Sam is now worse
• Dev's asked for feedback
• We are giving it

It's that simple

[Amh_Wilzuun]

Correction, some SAMs on the forum are quitting. Most of us are still having fun and playing the game while everyone here acts like this is the worst MMO ever made.

You guys gotta stop being combative with people who are giving criticism from a good place. You don’t need to defend FFXIV at all costs plenty of people like the game. The game is good BECAUSE of criticism from players over the years