SAM players are quitting

[cjbeagle]

Don't worry, all the SAM "Mains" will come back to playing SAM once it becomes META again.

Till then, all these SAM "Mains" will gravitate towards whatever job that places high on a certain not to be mentioned website, as well as dominates on a certain damage indicating addon that also is not to be mentioned.

But the players, who enjoy SAM for what it is, and offers them, will continue to play their favorite job, and look forward to brighter days.

The samurai mains who stopped playing samurai because of 6.1 did so explicitly because they used to "enjoy SAM for what it is" and now don't.

Know how you can tell? Because samurai was underperforming since 6.0, so anyone who only cared about dps wouldn't be playing it in the first place - they'd be playing reaper or monk.

Your assertion that this has anything to do with the meta is unfounded and absurd.

From 6.0 to 6.08 I played samurai despite it underperforming, and since 6.1 I've been playing dancer - so meta.

[HolyReign]

IF the only thing holding SAM together was Kaiten, then the job was doomed anyways.

IF people suddenly lost interest due to the removal of Kaiten, then they weren't playing for enjoyment, they where playing SAM for the damage it was capable putting out.

Also Dancer is used pretty consistently in top end Raiding, so yes META.

[cjbeagle]

IF the only thing holding SAM together was Kaiten, then the job was doomed anyways.

That's like saying that if a capstone is the only thing that holds an arch together, then the arch is doomed anyway. No, it's just integral to the design.

IF people suddenly lost interest due to the removal of Kaiten, then they weren't playing for enjoyment, they where playing SAM for the damage it was capable putting out.

Again, samurai was underperforming between 6.0 and 6.08, so anyone who was maining samurai wasn't doing it for the damage output - anyone who picked their main based off dps wouldn't have been playing samurai and wouldn't care about the 6.1 changes.

Also Dancer is used pretty consistently in top end Raiding, so yes META.

Almost every job is consistently used in top end raiding - that doesn't make almost every job meta, it just means the ones that are excluded because of anti-synergies are getting screwed.

Meta would be if a job is taken because it's overperforming or has specific niche value in a certain fight - dancer's personal dps is the lowest of any dps in the game and their overall contribution even counting their buffs is still below average - that's about as far from meta as you can get.

[AsiTsurugi]

That's like saying that if a capstone is the only thing that holds an arch together, then the arch is doomed anyway. No, it's just integral to the design.

This point spouted by ignorants like the one you responded to is pretty funny. You can substitute anything for that comparison. How about

"If breathing oxygen is the only thing keeping you alive, then you are doomed anyway".

Kaiten was the "oxygen" for the life of samurai. It made samurai feel like samurai. Now the job named samurai is dragoon with a katana and no group buffs.

[Matrias]

Yea i easily chose it as my main job but now it just feels bad, i dont have to monitor my kenki pretty much at all and just press an ogcd to spend it every second cooldown outside of 2 min window it just feels bad i liked micro managing the bar so id have enough for finishers, auto crit added to skills makes gearing for crit feel bad now too even tho you still do it for increased crit damage feels like say 30% of the main stat you go for is now out the window.

Have been playing other jobs in the meantime but i hope they bring kaiten back otherwise i have no job im drawn to at all.

Been playing Reaper its rotation is passable but i despise the particle effects on the shroud rotation personally, it looks awful you cant see your animations its just a purple blob its the first job where ive wanted to reduce my own spell fx.

[butchersblock]

IF people suddenly lost interest due to the removal of Kaiten, then they weren't playing for enjoyment, they where playing SAM for the damage it was capable putting out.

We have threads upon threads about people saying they don't care in the slightest about the potential damage of the job, and just want Kaiten back, even if it meant doing far less DPS. Yet here we have a disingenuous, condescending smartass telling everyone he knows better what Samurai players feel.

[Flashy]

Don't worry, all the SAM "Mains" will come back to playing SAM once it becomes META again.

Till then, all these SAM "Mains" will gravitate towards whatever job that places high on a certain not to be mentioned website, as well as dominates on a certain damage indicating addon that also is not to be mentioned.

But the players, who enjoy SAM for what it is, and offers them, will continue to play their favorite job, and look forward to brighter days.

This is good bait. I played SAM during 6.0 when it was the most worthless melee dps being outperformed by RPR/MNK that provided utility and better personal damage. I played it because it played very well and the only negative thing was it's potency. Then it got buffed and just made the job that much better. 6.08 was perfect

The job is very strong right now damage-wise, it's just not fun to play anymore, very underwhelming level 50 gameplay

[Stasya]

This is good bait. I played SAM during 6.0 when it was the most worthless melee dps being outperformed by RPR/MNK that provided utility and better personal damage. I played it because it played very well and the only negative thing was it's potency. Then it got buffed and just made the job that much better. 6.08 was perfect

The job is very strong right now damage-wise, it's just not fun to play anymore, very underwhelming level 50 gameplay

Lol. If it is strong damage wise why world first prog raiders for ultimate went with obvious choices like nin/drg/monk? Atleast thank god sam got 1 clear.

[AsiTsurugi]

Lol. If it is strong damage wise why world first prog raiders for ultimate went with obvious choices like nin/drg/monk? Atleast thank god sam got 1 clear.

I am scared that the fact that there is one DSR clear with samurai now will probably lead this "dev team" to pretend that samurai is perfectly fine and all of 6.1 changes are amazing, ignoring all the feedback to the contrary.

[Ruminous]

I am scared that the fact that there is one DSR clear with samurai now will probably lead this "dev team" to pretend that samurai is perfectly fine and all of 6.1 changes are amazing, ignoring all the feedback to the contrary.

Sadly, they likely will. "Damage is fine, so samurai is fine!"

"Viable" and "fun" aren't mutually exclusive. It's something most tend to forget. And like you, I fear the devs will too. It's why my thoughts on the next patch are, "I wonder what they're gonna F up next?"