FFXIV Biggest Disease....Parsing

[Saraide]

We've had this argument ad nauseum on these forums before. Why does anyone think they have the right to call someone out who was put together with them into a group by a random matching system? In a situation where content requires that sort of mentality then being able to openly discuss and analyze should be welcomed and encouraged. But in content that doesn't require that mentality, there's no reason to bring it up because the content can be cleared without that mentality.

If someone absolutely must have X experience in roulette, whatever that is, then they have the capability of making a premade for their exacting specifications. Otherwise, there's a certain amount of flexibility that is going to service people the best when they let the system randomly match them with players of varying skill levels and experiences.

Yes, there should be some basic form of game understanding expectable even for normal content. If someone presses a button once every 10 seconds, never aoes and generally has no clue what they are doing in expert dungeons, the toxic act is not me calling them out, the toxic act is them doing nothing. I expect people to not intentionally and willfully waste other people's time, because it's incredibily easy to play the game at a casual level. No one needs a parser for that however. Just... push your buttons dude, everyone with eyes can see when your not.

[IdowhatIwant]

There is zero reason to care until they bring the toxicity into the group and that does happen. Yeah, we can report them as another poster mentioned in the previous comment. And then you see those same people still around.

There's a numbers bar for harder content. The bar in casual content is doing the mechanics and working with your teammates. So long as people understand that and don't try to pull content to their personal preferences, then there won't be issues.

All you are doing is stooping down to there level by making it a bigger deal than it needs to be. It's a dungeon who cares.

We've had this argument ad nauseum on these forums before. Why does anyone think they have the right to call someone out who was put together with them into a group by a random matching system? In a situation where content requires that sort of mentality then being able to openly discuss and analyze should be welcomed and encouraged. But in content that doesn't require that mentality, there's no reason to bring it up because the content can be cleared without that mentality.

If someone absolutely must have X experience in roulette, whatever that is, then they have the capability of making a premade for their exacting specifications. Otherwise, there's a certain amount of flexibility that is going to service people the best when they let the system randomly match them with players of varying skill levels and experiences.

There is a difference between, not having experienced the dungeon, and wasting people time. When you are lets say a BLM, that is only spamming blizzard 1 the entire dungeon, you are wasting peoples time. Would you be happy is some one was doing that? You would probably address it. It can be very frustrating when you have people at level 90 that a have absolutely 0 idea on how to play the game. I blame the game for being almost too casual and not teaching people how to play to get through the game as much as I blame the players for not caring to learn to play a class after 90 levels and what I would assume several hundred hours of play time. You can argue this is not dark souls, but if you played dark souls for 300+ hours, I would assume you know how to play the game at least a basic level.

[Lily_Skye]

I saw a video and Asmogold talked about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1fH...el=AsmongoldTV

So is it a disease? I mean if all that these people care about maybe it is?

I report everyone using it

[Ath192]

I report everyone using it

You’re probably going to be 80 years old by the time you finish if you started 5 years ago lol. You underestimate how many people use it.

[IdowhatIwant]

Personally, I have rarely seen people talk about parses in a dungeon or use it in a toxic manner. Who knows though I don't pay attention to chat, I am there do to what I need to do and move on. I have seen people ask me about how they parsed in extremes or in savage. I will usually give them the number, and 9 times out of 10 that person also starts to improve that number after asking. I have replaced people with low parses, in extremes or in savage, but it was almost always based on performance of mechanics the parse was just a secondary reason to help the decision making. I have cleared content with people with low parses, I have cleared with dark knight who's parse was so low they didn't even show up a grey % on FFlogs. It matters very little over all so long as total DPS > required DPS, which with how easy the game has gotten is not hard to do anymore.

[Edewen]

Parsers are there to help gauge your own performance and the performance of premade groups. Go into a dungeon, there are no dps checks so parsing really doesn't matter and the thought of dps should not be brought up.

However, you people claiming it is a problem because it is used in party finder are laughable. Of course it is used in party finder for savage and extremes. It doesn't matter if it is a static or not. Party finder leaders can filter on whatever criteria they want and if you dont like it make your own party. Dps matters there and not knowing who the weak link is for replacement is a waste of everyone's time trying to get a clear. Stop looking for a carry and crying the victim when someone points it out. Its not toxic to say, "Sry, but your performance simply isnt up to par so we are going to find someone else." So report all the people who even mention act in chat, you aren't doing anything because unless you are actually being attacked and shamed, no one cares. ACT and cactbot are heavily used and if that was in doubt, just try running 24mans on a patch day before it gets fixed. The performance of the groups is like night and day.

[Rilifane]

Just how many times are the people insisting it's affecting casual content so much experiencing any mention of parsing in casual content?
I'm just genuinely curious here. Is this a DC thing? Is it common on NA DCs? Chaos? JP DCs? Because I rarely see it on Light.

Seriously, I see it so incredibly rarely when doing roulettes, spamming dungeons to level, farming alli raids and even when farming Ex that it sticks out like a sore thumb and I remember it quite clearly. And I'm doing a lot of DF, it's my go-to for leveling classes because I dislike PotD/ HoH/ fate spam.
And I'm not kidding that ever since EW release I haven't encountered a single mention of someone parsing, let alone using it against others, in chat there. Not a single one. The most I've seen was a tank saying that they'll pull smaller with a, and I quote, "sry things died slower than i thought" - which isn't even in the same ball park as mentioning parsers because all that takes is the average attention span of a housefly. And person in LotA asking if the healer is afk or why they are never casting anything and getting a "it's just an alli raid, not here to parse my dude" in return.

But reading through some posts I get the impression it's something people encounter every few duties in a very explicite way.

[IdowhatIwant]

Just how many times are the people insisting it's affecting casual content so much experiencing any mention of parsing in casual content?
I'm just genuinely curious here. Is this a DC thing? Is it common on NA DCs? Chaos? JP DCs? Because I rarely see it on Light.

Seriously, I see it so incredibly rarely when doing roulettes, spamming dungeons to level, farming alli raids and even when farming Ex that it sticks out like a sore thumb and I remember it quite clearly. And I'm doing a lot of DF, it's my go-to for leveling classes because I dislike PotD/ HoH/ fate spam.
And I'm not kidding that ever since EW release I haven't encountered a single mention of someone parsing, let alone using it against others, in chat there. Not a single one. The most I've seen was a tank saying that they'll pull smaller with a, and I quote, "sry things died slower than i thought" - which isn't even in the same ball park as mentioning parsers because all that takes is the average attention span of a housefly. And person in LotA asking if the healer is afk or why they are never casting anything and getting a "it's just an alli raid, not here to parse my dude" in return.

But reading through some posts I get the impression it's something people encounter every few duties in a very explicite way.

Last time I really saw it prominently was Skip Soar or disband in HW after the first WoW exodus. Which it did not surprise me at that time. I just cleared it with 2 tanks so soar didn't matter.

[Denji]

There is.

Report them and it probably gets them banned because being mean to others because of it and mentioning parsers can absolutely get you banned.

It's LITERALLY don't talk about it or else you risk a ban?
They're doing themself no favor in mentioning it and being a dick about it, you just have to report them.


So anybody saying "can't stop people being mean about mentioning it" apparently doesnt know that this game has a pretty strict "you can parse but dont dare mention it ingame" policy for a long long time? Even i know of it...
I have NEVER seen anybody being bullied about their numbers.

What i have seen is... as i would call it "absolutely toxic casuals", but might just be a me thing? Can't talk for everybody, but i doubt it's as bad as people say because it still can get you banned if you mention parsing lol.
But being toxic about not wanting any help and stuff is fine so that's what more people are in my experience.

I have reported people and seen them later on still playing. I know many are simply given warnings but without any sort of acknowledgement I can never be sure.

[DixieBellOCE]

parsing is not a disease.

Mental illness thinking parses matter is a disease.