Samurai changes are unacceptable in the current iteration

[Roxus]

Hey guys.

Just a small update, players are speaking of the massive amount of feedback being given and are firmly asking for a 6.08 rollback for Samurai. A point brought up was that there should be an answer now rather than the next PLL. If the PLL comes around and they say "We can't do a rollback", invalidating everyone's feedback, we won't be able to change our request at all. Obviously everyone's first choice is a rollback and it isn't actually impossible, people aren't that dumb. JP's feedback alone has grown to over 100 pages, most of it being a rollback request. It would be problematic to ignore all those voices, right? Since the feedback was not addressed earlier, it's unrealistic to expect people to not ask for what they want most.

There's also comments regarding the increased anger from the playerbase regarding lack of communication. There's not much to elaborate on this, you don't go into someone's house and remove the staircase saying there will be improvements TBA and expect them to be okay with it.

[cjbeagle]

Thanks as always for keeping us informed on how the other regions are taking it.

you don't go into someone's house and remove the staircase saying there will be improvements TBA and expect them to be okay with it.

XD I love this.

[Quor]

There's not much to elaborate on this, you don't go into someone's house and remove the staircase saying there will be improvements TBA and expect them to be okay with it.

Man, if there's one silver lining to this whole job design debacle it's that we've been able to see some real great one-liners coming out of the CN/KR/JP sides of the game.

[RaevusAstra]

There's also comments regarding the increased anger from the playerbase regarding lack of communication. There's not much to elaborate on this, you don't go into someone's house and remove the staircase saying there will be improvements TBA and expect them to be okay with it.

The counterargument to this is that if these abilities are in preparation to 7.0 and future expansions (aka the next ten years), the team would not want to spoil players into the changes they have in mind years before they get to show them off. Gotta understand that game devs want to surprise their players all the time.

[FrogBiscuit]

The counterargument to this is that if these abilities are in preparation to 7.0 and future expansions (aka the next ten years), the team would not want to spoil players into the changes they have in mind years before they get to show them off. Gotta understand that game devs want to surprise their players all the time.

Not denying your point...

But in this scenario I believe it requires a bit more finesse...

Whats better?
- Surprise your players abruptly with a horribly negative change, so later at a unknown date, they can be surprised by something that 'might' be as fun, more fun, or less fun then what they remember from years ago... All the while, in-between... they don't enjoy their time...
or
- Even if the changes are set in stone with no option of reverting the horrible decisions... throwing your player base a bone so they don't spend 1.5, maybe more, plus years not having fun with your game and are just desperate for a reversion that adds fun back to a product they used to enjoy?


I get surprising your player base. But if the cost to achieve this is catastrophic... maybe its not worth it...

[Kaseladen]

The counterargument to this is that if these abilities are in preparation to 7.0 and future expansions (aka the next ten years), the team would not want to spoil players into the changes they have in mind years before they get to show them off. Gotta understand that game devs want to surprise their players all the time.

A bad way to surprise your players is to give them a subpar experience for an expansion to prep for a 'new' one.
Its a good way to make sure there aren't people to surprise.
Ignoring the fact that I've seen that play out many times to the detriment of games.

[cjbeagle]

The counterargument to this is that if these abilities are in preparation to 7.0 and future expansions (aka the next ten years), the team would not want to spoil players into the changes they have in mind years before they get to show them off. Gotta understand that game devs want to surprise their players all the time.

The counterargument to your counterargument fits perfectly with the quote you quoted.

If you're going to replace my stairs with an awesome new elevator - cool, remove the stairs when you install the elevator - don't demo the stairs and tell me to look forward to the elevator sometime in the future - in the meantime I have no access to the upper floor.

We aren't necessarily unhappy that we didn't get the elevator - we're unhappy that they demoed the stairs prematurely - the cat is stuck upstairs and will probably starve to death by the time we can get up there. We called the fire department, but it went to voicemail and they've yet to respond.